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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 01:22:06 PM »
"only the Iranian riot police are too civilized to use
attack dogs and fire-hoses on their own people"


Riot police in Iran beating to death in people house
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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 01:24:42 PM »
"only the Iranian riot police are too civilized to use
attack dogs and fire-hoses on their own people"


Iran June 2009 Protest , Iranian Police Beating A Women
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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 01:25:17 PM »
Also, this:

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Iran's Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

The council's Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezaei -- a defeated candidate in the June 12 Presidential election.

"Statistics provided by the candidates, who claim more than 100% of those eligible have cast their ballot in 80-170 cities are not accurate -- the incident has happened in only 50 cities," Kadkhodaei said.
Guardian Council: Over 100% voted in 50 cities
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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 01:51:51 PM »
Still waiting for the dogs and firehoses. 

As for the police beating the woman, correct me if I'm wrong, did she not run up and kick one of the cops from behind before each of two cops took a swing at her with their batons?  Far as I could seem they didn't even beat her to the ground.  THAT was their best shot at "police beating women?"  That is BULLSHIT, man.  Ask Fannie Lou Hamer how police in AmeriKKKa beat women, that is real beating, she was almost killed and took months in hospital.  Those cops in Tehran are strictly amateurs when it comes to beating women in the streets - - they need AmeriKKKan help and training if they ever hope to become REAL savages.  Hell, just ask Rodney King.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Lou_Hamer


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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 06:44:43 PM »
Mikey are you excusing the brutal suppression of free speech by this regime?

Because it sure sounds like you are.


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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 06:53:08 PM »
No, BT, I think they're doing exactly what Salvador Allende SHOULD have done when faced with growing waves of CIA provocations and agitation.  Not to act swiftly and decisively in defence of the Revolution would be to condemn his own supporters to torture and death at the hands of CIA-bought usurpers, as had happened in Chile and in Iran itself in the days of the Mossadegh government. 

This is not a good thing for the USA, BT.  Evidently the opponents of AmeriKKKan imperialism CAN and DO learn from history and are not prepared to keep repeating the mistakes of their predecessors over and over again, or play the sacrificial lamb indefinitely to the nefarious opportunism of the U.S. and the U.K.  When the enemies of the people rear their ugly heads, you can rest assured that the Revolution will  no longer idly stand by and watch.

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 06:56:43 PM »
Did you answer the question? What does Chile have to do with Iran?

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 11:18:59 PM »
<<Did you answer the question? >>

Yes, I did; my answer was that if the Iranian government, legitimately elected by the Iranian people in a free and fair election, does not take the steps they need to take to repress these subversive, anti-government and anti-democratic "spontaneous demonstrations," it will suffer the fate that was suffered by another democratically elected government, the Salvador Allende government of Chile, subverted by almost identical CIA-sponsored "spontaneous demonstrations" leading to the overthrow of the duly elected government and its replacement by a U.S. puppet government ruling by terror, torture and murder.  (Which in Iran's case won't make a hell of a lot of difference because they are already ruled by terror, torture and murder.  The difference is that the current government is all-Iranian and the U.S. puppets waiting in the wings are, well, U.S. puppets.  One government will support the Palestinians in their fight for freedom and independence, the other will support the Israelis in their fight to oppress and control.

<<What does Chile have to do with Iran?>>

It's the example that illustrates perfectly what is really going on behind the scenes and how the masterminds of U.S. and British imperialism are plotting to bring down the Iranian government using the "spontaneous demonstrations" as their instrument.

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 11:39:01 PM »
legitimately elected by the Iranian people in a free and fair election

Statistical analysis seems to indicate that fraud occurred.
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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 11:42:08 PM »
<<Did you answer the question? >>

Yes, I did; my answer was that if the Iranian government, legitimately elected by the Iranian people in a free and fair election, does not take the steps they need to take to repress these subversive, anti-government and anti-democratic "spontaneous demonstrations," it will suffer the fate that was suffered by another democratically elected government, the Salvador Allende government of Chile, subverted by almost identical CIA-sponsored "spontaneous demonstrations" leading to the overthrow of the duly elected government and its replacement by a U.S. puppet government ruling by terror, torture and murder.  (Which in Iran's case won't make a hell of a lot of difference because they are already ruled by terror, torture and murder.  The difference is that the current government is all-Iranian and the U.S. puppets waiting in the wings are, well, U.S. puppets.  One government will support the Palestinians in their fight for freedom and independence, the other will support the Israelis in their fight to oppress and control.

<<What does Chile have to do with Iran?>>

It's the example that illustrates perfectly what is really going on behind the scenes and how the masterminds of U.S. and British imperialism are plotting to bring down the Iranian government using the "spontaneous demonstrations" as their instrument.


Well that is a theroy.

But ..

Whereas you agree that the Iranian government is not all that good , why do you consider it impossible that the people of Iran might rise up against it on their own ?

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2010, 12:27:25 AM »
<<Statistical analysis seems to indicate that fraud occurred.>>

Yeah right.  Whose statistics?

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 12:49:21 AM »
<<Well that is a theroy.>>

Yeah that's right.  And if a man invites Jeffrey Dahmer to spend the night baby-sitting his eight-year-old son, and the next morning both Dahmer and the kid are gone, it's also a theory that Dahmer ate him.

It's also a theory that Dahmer just took the kid to see Walt Disney World and will bring him home before dinner time.  It's also a theory that the kid ate Jeffrey Dahmer.  And it's also a theory that the majority of Iranians voted against Ahmadinejad and are spontaneously rioting out of outrage that their guys officially lost when they got more votes and the CIA and British intelligence just scrupulously avoided interfering in the slightest degree with the elections held in a sovereign country out of a pure and reverent respect for the sovereignty of that country.

There are lots of theories.  What is your point?

<<Whereas you agree that the Iranian government is not all that good , why do you consider it impossible that the people of Iran might rise up against it on their own ?>>

Because, as I have already stated, the Washington Post's own poll three weeks in advance of the election showed Ahmadinejad winning by an even bigger majority than was officially counted for him.  Because rioting broke out even before the polls closed and because for at least three days following the elections, there were no statments from any of the losing parties just how this massive vote - - in a country of 73 million people - - was actually stolen.  It seemed kind of unusual that rioting would break out over a stolen election when nobody seemed to have any idea how a vote that huge could be stolen AND when reputable polls had predicted the result weeks ahead.  Because in the two or three days before the election almost a million new cell-phone subscribers were registered in Tehran alone, indicating preparations by the opposition parties to massively protest the "fixing" of elections that had not even at that point been held, let alone "fixed."  Because the  U.S. and Israel have threatened Iran on countless occasions with regime change, in attempts to get them to back off their nuclear programs, and the appearance of "spontaneous" crowds in the streets, "protesting" something or other that they never gave a shit about previously, is the classic hallmark of CIA regime-change modus operandi.

There are probably a few other good reasons I left out that show why these "protests" are probably not a popular uprising, but these reasons alone are way more than sufficient.

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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2010, 01:05:38 AM »
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Yeah right.  Whose statistics?

Credibility Mikey.

This is what is important. A large vocal percentage of the population of Iran believes the election was fraudulent and they are being beaten to death by those who have the most to lose by a change in the status quo. We know how this will end. The repression forces will get more brutal as their grip on power lessens, or the oppressed will give up, trading their illusions of democracy for the soft safety of anonymity.


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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2010, 02:30:13 AM »
Yeah right.  Whose statistics?

Princeton, among others. I posted a couple that put the lie to "fair and honest" IN THIS THREAD already:

Here and here.

I especially like the second one. Your "fair and honest" elections had greater than 100% turnout in 50 cities in Iran.
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Re: Scott Ritter on the Iranian Bomb
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2010, 03:07:30 AM »
I especially like the second one. Your "fair and honest" elections had greater than 100% turnout in 50 cities in Iran.

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