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58% to 38%
« on: January 19, 2010, 11:16:54 AM »
No, that's not Brown's predicted margin of error win.  That's just another snippet of how the DC elite, especially those on the liberal side, claim how DC is supposed to be doing the will of the people, except of course, when it runs counter to their socialist, Government-is-the-answer-to-everything, agenda.

What Washington Post Story Did Not Say about Its Own Poll: Most Americans Say They Want a Smaller Government
Monday, January 18, 2010
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief


[Correction: Although the Washington Post's Sunday story that focused primarily on a new Washington Post-ABC News poll??Poll Shows Growing Disappointment, Polarization Over Obama's Performance, by Jon Cohen and Jennifer Agiesta, made no mention of the fact that the poll found that 58 percent of Americans say they favor a smaller government that provides fewer services, another story in Sunday's Post, "One Year Later Assessing Obama; Testing the Promise of Pragmatism" by Dan Balz--did mention that finding.  
 
The tenth paragraph of Balz's story said: "The poll also shows how much ground Obama has lost during his first year of trying to convince the public that more government is the answer to the country's problems. By 58 percent to 38 percent, Americans said they prefer smaller government and fewer services to larger government with more services. Since he won the Democratic nomination in June 2008, the margin between those favoring smaller over larger government has moved in Post-ABC polls from five points to 20 points"

(CNSNews.com) - A large majority of Americans say they want a smaller government that provides them with fewer services, according to a new poll from the Washington Post and ABC News. But the Washington Post story about the poll makes no mention of this fact.
 
The poll asked: "Generally speaking, would you say you favor smaller government with fewer services, or larger government with more services"?
 
Fifty-eight percent said they favor a smaller government with fewer services, and only 38 percent said they favor a larger government with more services.
 
The Post did not mention the results from this poll question in its news story about the poll.  


Damn people just don't know better, do they

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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 11:25:55 AM »
WaPo Buries Sour Polls with Weird Headline on Obama's 'Pragmatism'
By Tim Graham
January 17, 2010
 

Usually, when a political reporter uses the term "pragmatist," it sounds like a synonym for "centrist," for making the best bipartisan deal you can. So it's a little jarring to pick up the Sunday Washington Post and see a first-year assessment of President Obama headlined "Testing the promise of pragmatism." But Obama dramatically expanded the scope and power of government, and that?s not centrist. Even the Post home page?s lingo sounds confused:

Voters doubting 'a more pragmatic approach'

Obama is trying to restore confidence in government while proposing the most significant expansion of Washington's role in the economy in a generation.

This headline downplayed the bad polling news the last ABC-WashPost survey uncovered. By 58 to 38 percent, survey respondents said they preferred smaller government and less services to bigger and more. That's gone from +5 to +20 for smaller government since June 2008.

The poll question illustrated on the front page showed that 76 percent thought Obama "will bring needed change to Washington" in January 2008, but now it's only 50 percent say he will, and 49 percent say he will not.

The polls on his approval rating are much more disappointing for liberals inside on page A-8. His approval rating is down 18 percent among independents, down 18 percent among white people, down 14 points among voters 18-29 and down 14 among voters 65-plus.

Reporter Dan Balz wrote that "Obama begins his second year having failed to ease political polarization."

That's putting it mildly.

Hasn?t Obama been strongly partisan, and the Democratic leaders like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi even stronger? He could have written "Obama begins his second year with his party leaders attacking Republicans as akin to slavery advocates and Aryan-power racists."

Balz quotes Princeton political professor Nolan McCarty saying for Obama, "the biggest mistake was not finding an issue that was analogous to Clinton?s decision to work with Republicans on something like welfare reform."

This is simply untrue in its implication. Clinton did not substantively address welfare reform in his first year, devoting it instead to tax hikes, "stimulus" proposals, and health-care "reform", an agenda quite similar to Obama's (except maybe the NAFTA free-trade agreement). Clinton didn't sign a welfare-reform bill until August 22, 1996, right before the fall re-election campaign.



But there's no bias.....naaaaaaa
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 06:19:06 PM »
Is that good news for conservatives or libertarians?
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 06:20:36 PM »
Speaking to THIS conservative, it's good news      8)
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 06:48:59 PM »
Do you know of Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and if so, would you vote for him?

Not a gotcha question. Just curious.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 07:26:17 PM »
Yes, and yes, I kinda know where you're going, given our track record of immigration "discussions".  I see nothing anti-conservative or anti-small government in supporting legal immigration, and enforcement of current immgration law.  Arpaio, from what I gather, has decided to do the Feds' job for them, because of the unquestioning financial burden illegal immigration has been placing on their county, as far as strictly inforcing current laws, including immigration laws.  IIRC, keeps the low-end criminals in a rather minimum security tent city, with simple rations of 3 meals a day, until they're dealt with thru their court cases, or they're turned over to Federal custody.

You may think it cruel, you may think him out of line, you may think he's stepping beyond his jurisdiction.  The voters will decide that.  But to answer your question, yes, I would vote for him, if I were a resident of his county, until I hear evidence that would dissuade me from that position
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 10:27:33 PM »
I have zero intention of getting into the immigration discussion with you. I just wondered. Thank you for an honest answer.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 01:37:30 AM »
No problemmo     8)    Do you have a non-related immigration concern that would inhibit you from voting for him, were you a resident of his county?
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 10:58:25 AM »
You may think it cruel, you may think him out of line, you may think he's stepping beyond his jurisdiction.

Well, he DOES make them wear pink underwear. That has to be cruel and unusual punishment.

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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 12:33:31 PM »
LOL  Criminals made to be ridiculed just a tad.  Say it ain't so        ;)
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 12:43:07 PM »
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 01:24:15 PM »
Oh man, gotta love the pink cuffs   :D
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 01:27:18 PM »
He was in town once, came by the gun club to do a meet and greet. Heck of a nice guy. Wouldn't ever want to get on the wrong side of him, though.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 01:32:31 PM »
My kind of Sheriff then
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Re: 58% to 38%
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 06:00:03 PM »

Do you have a non-related immigration concern that would inhibit you from voting for him, were you a resident of his county?

Guys in pink boxers and pink handcuffs is cute, and if that was as bad as it got, he might be okay, but it is not and he is not.

http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/23/sheriff-joes-new-low

http://reason.com/blog/2007/10/19/sheriff-joe-arpaio-wants-to-kn

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08-05/news/dog-day-afternoon/print
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