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The Chavez Meltdown!
« on: January 30, 2010, 12:16:40 AM »


The Chavez Meltdown
JANUARY 30, 2010
There's a lot of ruin in Venezuela.

To the short and brutal list of life's certainties, let us add that socialism invariably leads nations to economic ruin. Latest case in point: Hugo Chavez's "Bolivarian" Republic of Venezuela.

Earlier this month, the Venezuelan strongman moved the official U.S. dollar exchange rate to 4.3 bolivars to the greenback from 2.15. At a stroke, he wiped out the savings and purchasing power of the very working-class people he purports to represent, most of whom have barely been getting by. News of the devaluation instantly sent the country where consumer prices had already risen by 25% in 2009, according to official figures into a panic, with consumers standing in line to stock up on goods before prices rose.

Mr. Chavez next decreed that he would fine and even arrest any merchant caught adjusting prices, eliding the fact that Venezuela imports nearly everything and exports only oil. Now Venezuelans have the Hobson's choice of either complying with the diktat, which means shortages, or disobeying it, which means inflation.

Yet no sooner was one catastrophe of "21st-century socialism" inflicted on Venezuelans than Mr. Chavez unveiled another. On January 12, the government instituted a series of rolling blackouts due to an electricity shortage that had been building for months. Ostensibly, the reason for the shortage was a drought that had left water levels at the country's huge Guri Dam the source of more than 70% of its electricity at critically low levels. But that is a function of the government's failure to maintain the dam and build additional capacity.

The instant result of the blackouts was chaos, particularly in Caracas, where people were left "stuck in elevators or in dangerous parts of town without street lighting," according to Reuters. The capital city already has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the world, and Mr. Chavez was forced to suspend blackouts there two days later. The rest of the country, however, remains subject to sporadic power outages.

Behind the crack-up of Mr. Chavez's utopia is the fact that he's running out of money because Venezuela's oil production is plunging. In 1998, the year Mr. Chavez was first elected, the country pumped 3.3 million barrels a day. Today, the figure is 2.4 million barrels, and that's an optimistic estimate.

Venezuela isn't running out of crude. The problem is that Mr. Chavez has expelled or seized the assets of foreign companies capable of properly maintaining the country's fields, including ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips. It didn't help, either, that in 2002 Mr. Ch?vez fired thousands of skilled employees of state oil company PdVSA because he didn't like their politics and replaced them with his political cronies.

On Monday, Mr. Chavez made a grudging concession to reality when he agreed to a joint venture with Italian oil major ENI, which itself had been run out of Venezuela in 2006. We'll leave it to the Italians to place their own bets about the limits of Mr. Chavez's caprice. They've already had fair warning that Bolivarians, like other predators, rarely change their spots.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704362004575000922680308014.html
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 12:38:48 AM »
LMFAO.

About ten years ago, the State of California was hit by a crippling wave of power shortages and electricity failures caused by deregulation.  I am just wondering how many conservatives hailed those difficulties as proof of the ultimate failure of capitalism?

An electrical power crisis can be an indicator of failure of the state - - or not, depending it seems on the nature of the state itself.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 01:05:35 AM »
By keeping the consumer price of electricity artificially low, the California government discouraged citizens from practicing conservation. In February 2001, California governor Gray Davis stated, "Believe me, if I wanted to raise rates I could have solved this problem in 20 minutes."[4]

Energy price regulation forced suppliers to ration their electricity supply rather than expand production.[citation needed] This artificial scarcity created opportunities for market manipulation by energy speculators.

The major flaw of the deregulation scheme was that it was an incomplete deregulation?that is, "middleman" utility distributors continued to be regulated and forced to charge fixed prices, and continued to have limited choice in terms of electricity providers. Other, less catastrophic energy deregulation schemes, such as Pennsylvania's, have generally deregulated utilities but kept the providers regulated, or deregulated both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 08:29:10 AM »
I don't know enough about the subject to figure out who or what was to blame for it, but it could not have happened without the deregulation. 

In any event, the point I was trying to make is that partisans of the capitalist system are quick to blame every God-damn thing that goes wrong under socialism as the necessary result of socialism, while making every possible excuse for whatever goes wrong under capitalism, so as never to have to characterize it as the necessary result of capitalism.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 01:01:32 PM »
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In any event, the point I was trying to make is that partisans of the capitalist system are quick to blame every God-damn thing that goes wrong under socialism as the necessary result of socialism, while making every possible excuse for whatever goes wrong under capitalism, so as never to have to characterize it as the necessary result of capitalism.

And my point was that the biased blame game is pretty much an unproductive exercise in futility.

Enron took the same advantage of ambiguity in the laws as Mikey Weinstein takes advantage of ambiguity in the laws.

It the real bogeyman the actors or the laws?


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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »
Let me just add, that Bt's assessement of the California debacle and its pseudoderegulation, was spot on
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 01:41:31 PM »

About ten years ago, the State of California was hit by a crippling wave of power shortages and electricity failures caused by deregulation.  I am just wondering how many conservatives hailed those difficulties as proof of the ultimate failure of capitalism?


Actually, the problem was caused by not enough deregulation, and to assume the problem would not have happened without the limited not-quite-really-deregulation is speculation at best. The problems Venezuela is having are a direct result of Chavez's meddling. Chavez's socialism is detrimental to the country. This "yeah, but capitalism" bit doesn't change that one iota.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 02:53:20 PM »
Sorry, I'm not buying any of that capitalist BS.  Socialism especially under a charismatic leader is no guarantor of a mistake-free administration any more than capitalism is.

However a socialist government governs in the name of the people and has the people's best interests in its heart at all times.  Capitalism operates in the name of the owner and the rentier classes, and has their best interests at heart, always as measured by the bottom line and the protection of individual wealth.  It stands to reason then that the capitalist system will ALWAYS govern against the best interests of the people.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 03:01:55 PM »
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However a socialist government governs in the name of the people and has the people's best interests in its heart at all times.  Capitalism operates in the name of the owner and the rentier classes, and has their best interests at heart, always as measured by the bottom line and the protection of individual wealth.  It stands to reason then that the capitalist system will ALWAYS govern against the best interests of the people.

Rubbish. In a capitalist system you have crimes against property, in a socialist system you have crimes against the state.

In either system a select few control the property.

The big difference is that in a capitalist system, joe peasant has a shot at ownership.

In a socialist system there is not that hope.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 03:09:14 PM »
BINGO
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 03:20:37 PM »
<<In either system a select few control the property.>>

In the one case, they control for their own benefit, in the other as stewards or trustees for the people.  The difference being in the disposition of the fruits of production:  for the benefit of the elite handful in the capitalist system, for the benefit of the people in the other.

<<The big difference is that in a capitalist system, joe peasant has a shot at ownership.>>

Yes, a very tiny shot and no right at all to participate in the profits.

<<In a socialist system there is not that hope.>>

Why on earth would they want to hope for what they already have?  If everyone has a job, a free education for all, free medical care and a guarantee of affordable housing, the only ones who hope for more are the greedy ass-holes who don't give a shit about everyone's standard of living sinking like a stone as long as they have their shot at the big time.  Fuck 'em.  And fuck their greedy dreams.

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 03:35:25 PM »
By keeping the consumer price of electricity artificially low, the California government discouraged citizens from practicing conservation. In February 2001, California governor Gray Davis stated, "Believe me, if I wanted to raise rates I could have solved this problem in 20 minutes."[4]

Energy price regulation forced suppliers to ration their electricity supply rather than expand production.[citation needed] This artificial scarcity created opportunities for market manipulation by energy speculators.

The major flaw of the deregulation scheme was that it was an incomplete deregulation?that is, "middleman" utility distributors continued to be regulated and forced to charge fixed prices, and continued to have limited choice in terms of electricity providers. Other, less catastrophic energy deregulation schemes, such as Pennsylvania's, have generally deregulated utilities but kept the providers regulated, or deregulated both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

I've got a game-plan in place to have Solar Panels on my roof by years end and I will be generating my own electricity. Actually I'll be turning my meter backwards. Can you believe it -- a conservative that drives a hybrid Prius and has artificial turf. We are having a drought here, due to a little fish, so water is expensive. Liberals are all talk and no action.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 03:52:29 PM »
"a conservative that drives a hybrid Prius"

May your accelerator pedal get stuck.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 03:54:03 PM »
"a conservative that drives a hybrid Prius"

May your accelerator pedal get stuck.


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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 04:03:13 PM »

However a socialist government governs in the name of the people and has the people's best interests in its heart at all times.


Michael, the naiveté necessary to believe that is something I lost a long time ago. I suppose next you'll tell me Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real.


Capitalism operates in the name of the owner and the rentier classes, and has their best interests at heart, always as measured by the bottom line and the protection of individual wealth.  It stands to reason then that the capitalist system will ALWAYS govern against the best interests of the people.


Adult male bovine excrement. For one, the capitalist system does not govern. For another, capitalism allows the people to determine their own interests and what works for them. The notion that the people need someone else, who is only a person or group of persons no better than the rest of the people, to tell them what is their best interests is arrogance and folly.
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