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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2010, 09:41:51 PM »
>>I don't know enough about the subject to figure out who or what was to blame for it ...<<

Then he says,

>> ...but it could not have happened without the deregulation.<<

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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2010, 09:47:27 PM »
Thank you CU4. But that doesn't excuse me from incivility. I said fuck off legless to BSB and told Universal Prince
fuck you too.
That was wrong and uncalled for and I should never have called those two queers those names. If I could take it back I would.

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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2010, 10:14:59 PM »
I am assuming Michael Tee my friend from Canada does not agree with:

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us
tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second
will not become the legalized version of the first."
« Last Edit: January 30, 2010, 10:39:14 PM by ChristiansUnited4LessGvt »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2010, 11:48:26 PM »
>>I average 17 mpg around town, and 23 on the highway, in mine, and it's worth every drop of gas I put in it.<<

Sounds about like what I get in mine.



It's not part of the recall by the way.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2010, 12:01:02 AM »
If you have the 8 in yours it's basicly te same engine as mine.

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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2010, 11:19:34 AM »
<<This brings up one of my most fravoriatest quotes.


<<John W. Gardner:
<<The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.>>

Not a bad quote, but I hope you didn't get the impression that I scorned excellence in plumbing.  I was just indicating that mastery of plumbing would be more easily achieved than mastery in governance, governance being a much more complex matter.  IMHO.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2010, 11:39:51 AM »
Nice Rich!

Being in the transportation business we have found that for the
most part no one come close to Toyota & Honda as far as dependability.
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2010, 12:34:43 PM »
Nice Rich!

Being in the transportation business we have found that for the
most part no one come close to Toyota & Honda as far as dependability.

unions ruined the former big 3.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2010, 12:54:26 PM »
<<"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us
tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second
will not become the legalized version of the first." >>

I certainly don't think that that was the intention of the Founding Fathers, despite the false attribution of those words to Thomas Jefferson.  I am afraid you have been hoaxed, as were many others, by the false quotation.  Here's what Jefferson DID say:

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/the_two_enemies_of_the_people_are_criminals_and_government/

<<Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) did write, in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, the following: “...in questions of power then, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.”

<<Jefferson did not write the following quotation that is frequently credited to him: “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.”

<<The Jefferson misquotation appears in April 2000 in an essay, “Rule by Brute Force,” by Steve Kubby of the American Medical Marijuana Association.>>

A more detailed exposition of the hoax is contained in the article to which I linked, above.

In answer to your question, no, of course I do not agree with that.  It was certainly not the intention of the Founding Fathers, whose primary experience was the so-called "tyranny" of King George.  They had "had it" with monarchical government and what they perceived to be arbitrary and irresponsible one-man rule and their No. 1 concern was to make the people, rather than a monarch, sovereign.  Jefferson, the third President of the U.S.A., would have had to be the supreme hypocrite to have denounced government itself as an enemy of the people.  That is totally absurd.  Although that false quote is apparently much in vogue with the right wing, it is basically saying that Jefferson was an anarchist.  Total rubbish.

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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2010, 01:35:29 PM »
>>unions ruined the former big 3<<

In the past I would never even consider buying a "foreign" car. That changes a year ago. I realized I wasn't supporting Ameerican workers, I was supporting a takeover of the American dream. I was also supporting people who help elect people who call me a Nazi, and a racist etc. I'll never buy a car made by the UAW again.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2010, 02:35:42 PM »
>>unions ruined the former big 3<<

In the past I would never even consider buying a "foreign" car. That changes a year ago. I realized I wasn't supporting Ameerican workers, I was supporting a takeover of the American dream. I was also supporting people who help elect people who call me a Nazi, and a racist etc. I'll never buy a car made by the UAW again.

I agree

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2010, 04:46:12 PM »
Why don't the two of you get a real car.

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2010, 07:48:18 PM »
The big 3 failed because they sold crap.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2010, 07:55:33 PM »
The big 3 failed because they sold crap.


yes and unions too

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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2010, 08:31:36 PM »
Cars like the Vega, Pinto, Neon, Cavalier and Escort were not designed by any union people. Nor did unions decide that people should be sold enormous SUV gashogs and trucks when any fool could see that a surge in gas prices would collapse the market.

It was poor management that screwed up GM and Chrysler.
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