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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 11:25:21 PM »
Still doesn't answer my question.

Do you want Biden as President?

That would be one logical end result.




why not have a new election?

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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 11:33:06 PM »
Not the way the Constitution works.

So if Obama is disqualified and therefore unable to serve, it's Biden until 2012.


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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 11:40:23 PM »
Not the way the Constitution works.

So if Obama is disqualified and therefore unable to serve, it's Biden until 2012.



is it possible Biden could be worse than Obama? what if he picked a decent VP then miraculously croaked? Stranger things have happened.

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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 11:44:12 PM »
Win the WH and Congress on the issues. The Birth Certificate isn't one of them.

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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 11:51:15 PM »
Win the WH and Congress on the issues. The Birth Certificate isn't one of them.


the BC is a longshot but if there is merit to it then he should address it by coming clean. you mentioned the constitution isn't that reason enough for Obama to answer these concerns?

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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2010, 01:55:09 PM »
There isn't, that's the problem.  I realize how bad this president is, and how he's dragging it down the economic abyss, that makes Carter look Reagan-like, but as Bt has referenced, focus on the issues that are dragging the country down.  He's not going to "quit", he's not going to be impeached, this whole Birth Certificate issue has been vetted.  You're trying to find some loophole, some technicality.....no Judge, including SCOTUS is going to remove a sitting POTUS on symbolic innuendo, framed as a technicality

It's just not going to happen

But if we can continue to focus on those areas he has been piss poor in, ....well...he's all but assured himself a 1 term tenure, where modern historians can start the process of who was worse for this Country, Carter or Obama
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2010, 02:05:39 PM »
the BC is a longshot but if there is merit to it then he should address it by coming clean.

He has.

And that's a link since you obviously ignored the last one.
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2010, 06:39:05 PM »
He has.
And that's a link since you obviously ignored the last one.

Kramer there are valid reasons to come to the conclusion that nothing will ever be done about Obama not being born in the United States....which I 100% believe he was not born in the United States...but of those valid reasons I would never trust FactCheck.org! Factcheck is part of the Annenberg Center. Ya know the Annenberg Center that also supports the Brady Campaign which OPPOSES guns.

FactCheck.org/ Annenberg Foundation whose claims of non-partisanship are questionable as Barack Obama was a founding member. "FactCheck".org is an affiliate of the Annenberg, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers and Obama were on their board. Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Ph.D. is the Director of the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania which is the organization BEHIND the FactCheck.org "truthfulness" website. Dr. Jamieson's newest book entitled "Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment" is a MAJOR HIT PIECE against the Conservative voices in the media on television, radio, and in print. FactCheck is run by fomer CNN guy Brooks Jackson. Below is more about FactCheck and Obama's birth certificate.


Factcheck.org, the "unbiased" truth seeker that has published Obama's Certification of Live Birth that they say proves Obama was born in America, in "truth" is operated by the totally biased Annenberg Foundation that gave Obama and Bill Ayres $110 million to spend on improving education. But Obama and Ayres actually spent the $110 million teaching Chicago kids to vote for his sponsor Mayor Daley. The Annenberg Foundation did a follow up study that proved Obama and Ayres did not improve educational test scores by any amount.

Want proof of Annenberg's bias and dishonesty?  Annenberg's factcheck.org says that Ayres and Obama did not do know each other then!! Even though the Annenberg Foundation knows that Bill Ayres founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (or "CAC") and hired Obama to be its President for five years, all documented by the Corporate Minutes of the CAC that U. of Illinios Prof. William Ayres  donated to the archives section of the University of Illinois Library at its Chicago campus.   Ie., this is not web chatter, it is documented in the University of Illinois Library Archives!!  Commenters are calling me a liar. Go to Chicago and read it yourself!  Annenberg certainly knows the name of the President of a group to which it gave $110 million, and that name is Barack Obama! So Annenberg has proved, with its own contradictory published statements, that Annenberg and its website factcheck.org tell lies to benefit Obama, and that its own website factcheck.org publishes lies.

Back to the Obama/Factcheck.org "Certificate of Live Birth."

Hawaii?s official birth certificate is the "Certificate of Live Birth" which is different from the "Certification of Live Birth". Changing the "e" to "ion" is all the difference in the world. Obama and factcheck.org only publish the "ion" version, which is merely a computer printout, and not a birth certificate. How else are they different? Read and weep.

Annenberg's factcheck.org continues to publish, even today,  Obama "Certification of Live Birth," and Annenberg claims falsely that this proves Obama was born in the USA.

Annenberg's corrupt factcheck,org published thousands of words about this but never once says that their document id the "ion" version, not the genuine "e" version. The most tragically comic statements on the corrupt factcheck.org is they quote people who "have seen" the "e" version.

Golly, Molly, if people "have seen" it,  why won't Obama produce it?

Only one answer: it doesn't exist.


You would think by now, after he has been President so long, the FBI could have cooked up a good forgery for him? Don?t worry, eventually some liberal progressive totalitarian creep will forge one, but the fact that they went so long without producing it proves that no valid birth certificatE ever existed or they would have produced it.

Here is what the State of Hawaii's official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: "The Certification of Live Birth" is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

 The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL." [Emphasis Mine].

     The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

    It has even been reported that foreigners residing in Hawaii, in some cases, produced birth certificates from foreign countries and the State of Hawaii still issued Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth to the infants in question
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2010, 06:44:51 PM »
Source link for the State of Hawaii website page that quote is taken from, please.
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2010, 06:47:37 PM »
and before someone runs to say the Annenberg Foundation is conservative because Walter Anneberg started it......  ::)

Using Walter Annenberg as a reason that something is republican is a red herring. He died in 2002, and is the foundation is run by his wife and children. Remember when Arianna Huffington was considered a right wing nut because she was married to a republican? So the Huffington Post should be considered a republican entity?

In 1916 Heny Ford was suggested to be the Republican nominee for president, but today the Ford Foundation is one of the countrys largest source of funding for left wing organizations.

"When Henry Ford II eventually resigned from the Foundation's Board of Trustees in 1977, he expressed his profound disgust with how the institution and most of its trustees had drifted so radically to the political left over time. Lamenting the Foundation's rejection of the economic system that had made its very existence possible, Mr. Ford wrote in his resignation letter: "In effect, the Foundation is a creature of capitalism, a statement that, I'm sure, would be shocking to many professional staff people in the field of philanthropy. It is hard to discern recognition of this fact in anything the Foundation does. It is even more difficult to find an understanding of this in many of the institutions, particularly the universities, that are the beneficiaries of the Foundation's grant programs."


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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 06:49:22 PM »
Because this is what it says:

"Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

"The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual?s birth.  The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person?s birth.  Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth.  When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

And we don't need to follow the rules for proving that Obama is descended from a native Hawaiian - that was never his claim.
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2010, 07:03:43 PM »
Win the WH and Congress on the issues. The Birth Certificate isn't one of them.


Well said!

Anything elese will draw more resentment than results.

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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2010, 07:07:31 PM »
Well summized !
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2010, 07:23:43 PM »
Source link for the State of Hawaii website page that quote is taken from, please.

AMI I'm not sure if the author will respond with her source, but
for the time being I at least found this one source verifying the quote
being from the State of Hawaii.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_a_certification_of_live_birth_require_more_validation_than_a_normal_birth_certificate
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Re: March on Washington to tell president to quit
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2010, 09:20:01 PM »
AMI I'm not sure if the author will respond with her source, but
for the time being I at least found this one source verifying the quote
being from the State of Hawaii.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_a_certification_of_live_birth_require_more_validation_than_a_normal_birth_certificate

That link says that more verification is needed to prove that you are of native Hawaiian descent. As I said, Obama does not claim to be an aboriginal Hawaiian. I think you can look at him and tell he ain't of Polynesian descent, and therefore does not qualify as a member of a native Hawaiian tribe. You don't have to be a member of a native American tribe to become President.
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