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Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:40:00 AM »
Kuttner's points are that this could be a turning point 14 months into the Obama Presidency, the point where he finally realizes what he was elected to do, where he finally gives up on the false God of "Bipartisanship" and gives the people a Democratic initiative, based on Democratic Party priorities, without seeking the input of the Party of No, which the people definitively rejected in the 2008 election.

Obama hopefully is growing a pair, and finding his way forward.  This is good for health care, and it's good for a lot of other issues currently plaguing the American people.  Hopefully, this time, Obama is going to be what his base believed him to be.

Here's the article in its entirety:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/defining-moment_b_507678.html


Robert Kuttner
Co-Founder and Co-Editor of The American Prospect
Posted: March 21, 2010 11:14 PM
Defining Moment

We have just witnessed what could be a turning point in the Obama presidency. In many respects we can thank Scott Brown. For it took the humiliating loss of Ted Kennedy's senate seat, and the even deeper incipient humiliation of lost health reform, for Obama to be reborn as a fighter. It remains to be seen whether he will match the resolve that he finally summoned on health reform with comparable leadership on all of the other challenges he yet faces.
But even those of us who were lukewarm on this bill should savor the moment and honor Obama's odyssey. His Saturday speech was simply the greatest of his presidency. It reminded us of the inspirational figure in whom so many of us invested such hopes last summer and fall. If you have been on Jupiter and somehow missed the speech, you owe it to yourself to watch it.
At long last, we saw this president leading, as only a president can. And we saw him leading as a progressive Democrat, finally admitting that no common ground with today's Republicans is possible, narrating stories we all can recognize about the human tragedy that is our current health care system.
We saw him reminding Democratic congressmen and women why progress on health reform is good politics. We saw him using gentle ridicule on the Republicans, who have suddenly become oddly solicitous of the Democrats' congressional majority.
I noticed that there's been a lot of friendly advice offered all across town. (Laughter.) Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Karl Rove -- they're all warning you of the horrendous impact if you support this legislation. Now, it could be that they are suddenly having a change of heart and they are deeply concerned about their Democratic friends. (Laughter.) They are giving you the best possible advice in order to assure that Nancy Pelosi remains Speaker and Harry Reid remains Leader and that all of you keep your seats. That's a possibility. (Laughter.)

But it may also be possible that they realize after health reform passes and I sign that legislation into law, that it's going to be a little harder to mischaracterize what this effort has been all about.
We watched Obama master the mechanics of legislative politics, cobbling together a majority one vote at a time. And we observed the Republican right reduced to sputtering frustration.
What a splendid shift from the Obama who less than a month ago went imploringly to reason with the House Republican Caucus.
Until very recently, the press treated this battle as a symmetrical stand-off. Now, with the president at last regaining control of the narrative, the Republicans are revealed as pure obstructionists. As the bill takes effect and citizens actually experience benefits (and as Obama said, "Lo and behold, nobody is pulling the plug on Grandma,") the Republicans will lose both as the party of No, and as a party that tried and failed to block a beneficial reform that citizens will come to value.
It has taken more than fourteen months for Obama to vindicate as president the leadership potential that we saw on the campaign trail; fourteen months to give up on the fantasy of bipartisanship; fourteen months to start truly inspiring ordinary people as he did as a candidate.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi deserves to share this moment. She never gave up on this legislation, and she kept after Obama and his aides to be tougher, smarter, and unapologetically partisan. She as much as Obama did the hard work of pulling together a majority, and kept Obama from caving in to Rahm Emanuel's advice to seek a puny bill that the Republicans might support.
The media is notorious for exaggerating the ups and downs of a president. A few weeks ago, Obama and health reform were doomed and Obama was not up to the job. In the coming days, we will see a jubilant Obama on the cover of newsmagazines. He will be lionized as a giant-killer. His approval ratings will rise, both because more Americans are paying attention to the beneficial features of the bill as opposed to the Republican caricatures and because Americans love a winner.
Whether he continues to earn these accolades depends on what he does next, now that the long distraction of health reform is finally behind us. For this come-from behind victory is only the first step in a long road back to the presidency we thought we were getting when we voted for Barack Obama.
The financial system is setting itself up for a second collapse, as new speculative maneuvers make insiders rich and add risks to the rest of the system. The bill working its way through the Senate is far too weak to fix what is broken. We are inviting new scandals, even before we get to the bottom of what really happened at Lehman Brothers and at AIG.
Mortgage foreclosures continue to increase far faster than the Administration's feeble program of subsidizing the banks can provide relief to homeowners. Credit is still very tight because of the administration's strategy of putting Wall Street bank balance sheets ahead of recovery on Main Street.
Last week's signing ceremony in the Rose Garden for a pitifully small jobs bill was enough to wilt the roses. It was a relic of what we get when we strive for bipartisanship. With the economy short at least eleven million jobs, Obama himself has appointed a bipartisan deficit-reduction commission stacked with members who are almost certain to call for massive cuts in social investment that America needs.
And the health bill itself only begins the long task of wresting control of the health care system from callous insurance and drug companies. We still have to fight for a real public option that is the first step towards national health insurance.
But in the springtime of March 2010, we have seen a president who evidently has learned how to lead, who relishes winning, and who is primed to become a more effective progressive. For that we should be grateful. It should whet his appetite as a fighter -- and ours.
Robert Kuttner's new book is A Presidency in Peril. He is co-editor of The American Prospect and a senior fellow at Demos.


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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 11:11:30 AM »
Obama's not turned anything.  He's simply sped his administration's failure up exponentially.  The only "improvement" we'll likely see to employment #'s, will be that of increased government jobs, starting probably with all the increased IRS agents.  Other than that, as unemployment stays near, or more so above double digits, taxes start going up, especially on those prescious union members insurance plans, look forward to a very short lived Democrat majority, come Nov
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 11:29:31 AM »
Obama's not turned anything.  He's simply sped his administration's failure up exponentially.  The only "improvement" we'll likely see to employment #'s, will be that of increased government jobs, starting probably with all the increased IRS agents.  Other than that, as unemployment stays near, or more so above double digits, taxes start going up, especially on those prescious union members insurance plans, look forward to a very short lived Democrat majority, come Nov

and on top of that the people elected will know exactly why they are there and they will slow down every aspect of Obama's agenda.

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 11:41:27 AM »
Absofrellinloutely.  This was 100% pure Democrat doing.  As Plane and others have referenced over time, there has been a consistent BIPARTISAN opposition to Cash for Croakers.  As the country, it's economy, and especially healthcare, tanks, and starts to simulate anything remotely to England's disaster of healthcare and debt, the electorate will know who precisely to pin this on

Then again, the polls indicate that already know
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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 12:13:27 PM »



"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 12:26:51 PM »
I was just watching CNN'S replay of Obama's speech after the vote and John Boehner's.   Obama's was masterful.  He made the point that the accomplishment of the bill spoke to the practical concerns of individual Americans - - hardship, anxieties resulting from lack of available coverage.  He pointed out, but very diplomatically, that while the bill addressed practical and pressing concerns of real Americans, the opposition to the bill was purely ideological.  Boehner seemed, stupidly, IMHO, to confirm the President's point.  He was talking (probably still is talking, I just walked away from the TV in sheer disgust) some hi-falutin' bullshit about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers and how offensive the Bill would have been to them.  I hope he still talks like that in November and I hope Obama still says then what he's saying now, because I can foresee a huge defeat for The Party of No at election time.  Obviously people will respond favourably to those who are concerned with their health rather than to those who are concerned with abstract Constitutional issues with an agenda of proving that the Constitution doesn't give a shit if they live or die, but is focused on process, a process which always seems to be manipulated to the best interests of the insurance industry and not the people's.

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 01:56:18 PM »
If Obama and the Democrats want full credit for passing a crap bill, then i say let them have full credit.

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 03:24:24 PM »
This is in the Wall Street Journal today in Market Watch

"Put together, the bills cost $940 billion over 10 years and aim to extend insurance
coverage to 32 million more Americans."


My question is:
 
WHY NOT JUST CREATE A ONE MILLION DOLLAR HEALTH ACCOUNT FOR EACH OF THOSE
32 MILLION AMERICANS TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE AND ANYTHING THEY DON'T USE SIMPLY
GIVE BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS? If someone needs a litle more, get it from someone who
doesn't use his/her allotment.
 
That's 32 million dollars a year instead of 94 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/action-on-health-care-overhaul-shifts-to-senate-2010-03-22



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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 03:38:41 PM »
I think polls about how CONGRESS is regarded are ludicrous.  NOBODY votes for or against Congress.  They vote for or against a personal name and it's up to the person who belongs to each name on the ballot to explain to the voter why he or she should vote for the name and not vote for the names of the people running against the neme

BTW, from the front page of The Globe & Mail today, Konrad Yakabuski:

<<It was only by finally freeing his inner liberal and suppressing his pragmatic streak, that Barak Obama was able to make history by steering through Congress the most consequential and progressive U.S. social legislation in more than four decades.

<<The passage last night by the House of Representatives of Mr. Obama's $940 billion (U.S.) overhaul of the health-care system ranks with the 1935 creation of Social Security and the 1965 advent of Medicare as a milestone that will change the face and character of this country.

<<Presidents since Harry Truman have aspired to put the United States on the path to universal health insurance for all of its citizens, only to be out-manoeuvered by lobbyists and politicians who exploited Americans' innate suspicion of government to win the day.>>

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 04:31:38 PM »
This is in the Wall Street Journal today in Market Watch

"Put together, the bills cost $940 billion over 10 years and aim to extend insurance
coverage to 32 million more Americans."


My question is:
 
WHY NOT JUST CREATE A ONE MILLION DOLLAR HEALTH ACCOUNT FOR EACH OF THOSE
32 MILLION AMERICANS TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE AND ANYTHING THEY DON'T USE SIMPLY
GIVE BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS? If someone needs a litle more, get it from someone who
doesn't use his/her allotment.
 
That's 32 million dollars a year instead of 94 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/action-on-health-care-overhaul-shifts-to-senate-2010-03-22





the answer is simple -- they don't care about providing health care for the few that don't have it, they want to control the middle class.

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 04:33:24 PM »


"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 07:46:11 PM »
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But it may also be possible that they realize after health reform passes and I sign that legislation into law, that it's going to be a little harder to mischaracterize what this effort has been all about.

Whistleing past the graveyard.

There is no hope that this bill will produce service up to the European standard , or the Canadian standard , or anything nearly .

And lo and behold it is inevitable that some officious mistake will pull a plug on some grandma now and then , and some disease or population will be more poorly served than another and there will still be something like 20 million unserved at all , and all at huge cost and atrocious waste.

Patriotic Republicans can probly offer better ideas , better cheaper and faster, perhaps by targeting each problem with its own small solution.

Repeal is reasonable.


(I like ChristiansUnited4LessGvt's idea to simply create a fund amounting to a million each for each of the thirty million and bank the diffrence , that is cute)

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Re: Robert Kuttner on the Health Care Reform Bill
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2010, 08:30:33 PM »
<<And lo and behold it is inevitable that some officious mistake will pull a plug on some grandma now and then . . . >>

Well, plane, your hopes and dreams are way too modest.  They'd have to pull the plugs on some 42,000 grandmas to get to the current level of atrocity were it's been estimated that 42,000 Americans die needlessly every year due to lack of funds or insurance  to pay for treatment that they needed.   That's a lot of plug pulling.

How come our bureaucrats here in Canada don't pull the plug on Grandma?  Are they that much more compassionate than American bureaucrats?

Did you ever consider the possibility that the fears you are expressing are somewhat unrealistic?

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2010, 08:46:18 PM »
<<And lo and behold it is inevitable that some officious mistake will pull a plug on some grandma now and then . . . >>

Well, plane, your hopes and dreams are way too modest.  They'd have to pull the plugs on some 42,000 grandmas to get to the current level of atrocity were it's been estimated that 42,000 Americans die needlessly every year due to lack of funds or insurance  to pay for treatment that they needed.   That's a lot of plug pulling.

How come our bureaucrats here in Canada don't pull the plug on Grandma?  Are they that much more compassionate than American bureaucrats?

Did you ever consider the possibility that the fears you are expressing are somewhat unrealistic?

MT, I remind you that I am an American Civil servant myself , mistakes on this scale are ordinary.

I know little about Canadian Civil servants , but I beleive that Canadians still do die , do they really die at a lower rate since the Canadian Civil Servants became more involved?

For us the rate is one death each. How are you doing?