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Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« on: April 04, 2010, 09:06:54 PM »
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=135781

A U.S. Army flight surgeon who posted a video indicating his complete rejection of all orders from the military unless Barack Obama documents his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is now refusing an "unofficial" suggestion from the Army for a medical evaluation.

Good for him!

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 10:20:05 PM »
"... I am choosing to disobey .......... orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan ........"


Line him up in front of a firing squad for cowardice, desertion, aiding and abetting the enemy, and conduct unbecoming an officer in the United States Army. I'd love to be in that firing squad and put a .308 right between his eyes.  What difference does it make who is issuing the orders? Any Army surgeon who refuses to deploy to a combat zone and help our wounded deserves nothing less. And while the firing squad is in place they can shoot Snowblower and We We also. 


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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 10:28:25 PM »
"... I am choosing to disobey .......... orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan ........"


Line him up in front of a firing squad for cowardice, desertion, aiding and abetting the enemy, and conduct unbecoming an officer in the United States Army. I'd love to be in that firing squad and put a .308 right between his eyes.  What difference does it make who is issuing the orders? Any Army surgeon who refuses to deploy to a combat zone and help our wounded deserves nothing less. And while the firing squad is in place they can shoot Snowblower and We We also.  


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As you can see by reading the article apparently the US Army these days is filled with a bunch of pussy's. This guy is far braver than his cowardly commanding officers that are afraid to prosecute his ass. Even the Commander in Chief is a pussy because he won't reveal his kindergarten records, long form birth cert or college grades. What's Obama afraid of? Only an asshole would shoot this guy. He's a hero for defending the US Constitution.
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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 10:44:20 PM »
<<Line him up in front of a firing squad for cowardice, desertion, aiding and abetting the enemy, and conduct unbecoming an officer in the United States Army. I'd love to be in that firing squad and put a .308 right between his eyes.  What difference does it make who is issuing the orders? Any Army surgeon who refuses to deploy to a combat zone and help our wounded deserves nothing less. And while the firing squad is in place they can shoot Snowblower and We We also. >>

Thanks, but WTF do I have to do with this?  I never took any position at all on this guy.  I've got my own ideas on how the firing squad can occupy its down time.

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 10:48:57 PM »
<<Line him up in front of a firing squad for cowardice, desertion, aiding and abetting the enemy, and conduct unbecoming an officer in the United States Army. I'd love to be in that firing squad and put a .308 right between his eyes.  What difference does it make who is issuing the orders? Any Army surgeon who refuses to deploy to a combat zone and help our wounded deserves nothing less. And while the firing squad is in place they can shoot Snowblower and We We also. >>

Thanks, but WTF do I have to do with this?  I never took any position at all on this guy.  I've got my own ideas on how the firing squad can occupy its down time.


Clearly if anybody needs a brain scan it would be the local resident one-legged PTSD Lexus driving crybaby from Boston.
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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 12:14:15 AM »
update

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=137013

WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
Officer questioning eligibility faces new threats from Army
'You could be sentenced to dismissal, confinement'
Posted: April 05, 2010
9:00 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily


Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama's eligibility.

The Army is threatening to dismiss and jail an active-duty lieutenant colonel who says he won't obey military orders until he knows that President Obama is in the Oval Office as a constitutionally eligible president, according to his supporters.

A statement given to WND today by Margaret Hemenway, who is acting as a spokeswoman for the case involving the American Patriot Foundation and Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, said Lakin is "undaunted" and has not changed his position.

Lakin announced his position with a video stating he would not follow orders because he was not sure of their legality under Obama, who has concealed personal information that could confirm he meets the constitutional requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

WND reported earlier when the Army "unofficially" recommended a medical evaluation, which Lakin refused.

New strategy unveiled on answering Obama's eligibility questions. See how you can help.

Now, the Army has issued a "counseling form" warning Lakin his deployment orders are valid. The document has been posted on the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which is assembling support for the officer.
 

"On 30 March 2010, this command became aware of your intentions to refuse to follow deployment orders. Your stated reason for refusal was your belief that the election of the President of the United States is invalid because you believe he is not 'native born' [sic]. This counseling is to inform you that your deployment orders are presumed to be valid and lawful orders issued by competent military authority," said the document from the "counselor," Lt. Col. William D. Judd.

The letter reminded Lakin of his April 12 due date at Fort Campbell, Ky.

"Failure to follow your reassignment and/or deployment orders may result in adverse action including court-martial," the officer was warned.

The document cited articles 86, 87 and 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: being missing, disobeying an order and contempt).

"If found guilty … you could be sentenced to dismissal from the service … forefeiture of all pay and allowances; and confinement for a period of months or years in a military prison," the warning stated.

The statement released by Hemenway noted Lakin is being supported by "hundreds" of people who have donated to his legal defense fund. He announced his refusal to obey orders after unsuccessfully following channels to get the same verification from the president that the officer has been required to provide throughout his 18-year military career.

The website also notes that the "counseling" document wasn't completely accurate. It's not "native-born" that is in question for Obama; it is the constitutionally mandated "natural born citizen."

Although the term is not defined in the Constitution, legal scholars believe it is best understood to mean a U.S. child of U.S. citizen parents.

WND has reported that the controversy raises the prospect that the government ultimately may not want to pursue a prosecution because a defense attorney could demand in court proof that the orders are issued by an eligible president.

Even participants in a forum on the left-leaning Huffington Post website seemed to agree in part.

"Freakin' Brilliant!" said one. "They can't court-martial him [without] the defense getting the judge to order the the (sic) birth-certificate be produced! Either Obama will have to produce or they can't prosecute. Genius."

    


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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 12:30:02 AM »
  Poor guy is going up the river , the chain of command doesn't have this much sence of humor.

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 12:37:28 AM »
  Poor guy is going up the river , the chain of command doesn't have this much sence of humor.

Put April 12th on your calender!

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 10:31:34 PM »
"... I am choosing to disobey .......... orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan ........"


Line him up in front of a firing squad for cowardice, desertion, aiding and abetting the enemy, and conduct unbecoming an officer in the United States Army. I'd love to be in that firing squad and put a .308 right between his eyes.  What difference does it make who is issuing the orders? Any Army surgeon who refuses to deploy to a combat zone and help our wounded deserves nothing less.
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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 10:35:14 PM »
As you can see by reading the article apparently the US Army these days is filled with a bunch of pussy's. This guy is far braver than his cowardly commanding officers that are afraid to prosecute his ass. Even the Commander in Chief is a pussy because he won't reveal his kindergarten records, long form birth cert or college grades. What's Obama afraid of? Only an asshole would shoot this guy. He's a hero for defending the US Constitution.

No, he isn't.  Not only is he disobeying the lawful orders of the Commander-in-Chief, but also the entire chain of command appointed above him (whose orders he is ALSO sworn to obey).  The man is a disgrace. 
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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 10:38:36 PM »
Wasn't there a guy doing this same thing five or six years ago?

Whatever happened to him?

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 10:55:28 PM »
Wasn't there a guy doing this same thing five or six years ago?

Whatever happened to him?


There have been numerous cases of military personnel trying to use political viewpoints as an excuse not to deploy.  I know there was a doctor who suddenly became a conscientious objector early in the war.  The problem is, medical personnel are not combatants.  So his claim that he didn't want to be involved in killing was not only invalid, it was also contradictory.  Medical personnel not only SAVE lives as opposed to taking them, they are REQUIRED to provide care for enemy soldiers as well as friendlies.  So if he objects to kiling enemy troops, the logicall course of action would be to go try to SAVE them. 
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 11:04:08 PM »
I'm going to have to concur with our resident military experts, on this one.  Sorry Kramer
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 12:23:40 AM »
I'm going to have to concur with our resident military experts, on this one.  Sorry Kramer

I would agree except for the fact the Army has done nothing about his not following orders. Prior to Obama that would be a different story but now that we have someone pretending to be POTUS it's a new ball game. Why is the Army doing nothing?

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Re: Army Lt Col Questions Obama Authority
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 12:37:47 AM »
Because he's not pretending?  Because he actually IS the POTUS? (despite our wish he weren't)  Because this issue has already been put to factual & credible rest?

Just a guess
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