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Kramer

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Stupid Frigging People
« on: April 07, 2010, 11:59:13 AM »
Based on this fiasco the Democrat Party is going to pay a huge, a massive price in November. Stupid stupid people, both the people that believed in the Hope & Change of FREE Health Care and the Democrat Politicians that voted this pile of shit ObamaCare in!



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/06/v-print/91696/health-care-overhaul-spawns-mass.html

Health care overhaul spawns mass confusion for public
Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: April 06, 2010 10:04:45 PM

WASHINGTON — Two weeks after President Barack Obama signed the big health care overhaul into law, Americans are struggling to understand how — and when — the sweeping measure will affect them.

Questions reflecting confusion have flooded insurance companies, doctors' offices, human resources departments and business groups.

"They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for eHealthInsurance.com. The California-based company sells coverage from 185 health insurance carriers in 50 states.


McLean said the call center had been inundated by uninsured consumers who were hoping that the overhaul would translate into instant, affordable coverage. That widespread misconception may have originated in part from distorted rhetoric about the legislation bubbling up from the hyper-partisan debate about it in Washington and some media outlets, such as when opponents denounced it as socialism.

"We tell them it's not free, that there are going to be things in place that help people who are low-income, but that ultimately most of that is not going to be taking place until 2014," McLean said.

Adults with pre-existing conditions are frustrated to learn that insurers won't have to cover them until 2014 (though those under 18 will be protected in late September); then they become both hopeful and confused upon learning that a federal high-risk pool for them will be established in the next few months. "Health insurance is so confusing. You add this on top of it and it makes it even more confusing," McLean said.

The Obama administration is embarking on a years-long public education campaign about the overhaul, including a Web component. However, much of the guidance will depend on Department of Health and Human Services regulations that are still being developed.

Parents of young adults, including those who are preparing to graduate from college this spring, have heard that the overhaul will let them keep their children on their insurance plans until they reach age 26. That starts in September, however; they have to determine how to cover them until then.

A new wave of inquiries could come next month as federal COBRA subsidies for laid-off workers dry up.

Ann Wooten of Austin, Texas, a breast cancer survivor, said she didn't understand whether the health insurance overhaul law meant that she should try to access private coverage again someday. She was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2008 after she lost her insurance in a divorce, and soon after she lost her job at a convenience store as a result of the economic crisis.

Medicaid has covered her treatments but she must apply regularly to renew the coverage. She went back to school to learn hotel management and is seeking a good-paying job with benefits. She doesn't know how the health overhaul will affect her options, and hasn't yet found the time or energy to investigate.

Americans who already have good coverage aren't so worried about the immediate implications, but some admit that they're plenty confused.

"Why does it take so long for certain health care things to take effect?" said Sandra Preston, a state employee in Paterson, N.J.

Ben Wiesen, a software engineer who works for a small company in Tarrytown, N.Y., said he'd read up on the overhaul but remained concerned about the unknowns.

"The timelines have been pretty clearly stated," he said. "It's the execution and the details: How are they really going to roll out the changes, and who ultimately will be the arbiter and decision-maker?"

Actor Sam Robards, the son of Lauren Bacall and the late Jason Robards, was visiting Washington last week with his children and Danish-born wife. Chatting in front of the White House gate, he said he tried to follow news coverage of the overhaul but conceded that "I'm not totally clear" on the details. He said he was glad that he got good coverage through the Screen Actors Guild so he didn't have to worry about it.

The couple previously lived in Denmark, which has universal health coverage. They applauded the overhaul's aim of extending coverage to nearly all Americans.

Many small business owners are nervous about requirements being phased in.

"Members are still trying to wrap their head around everything that's in this law," said Michelle Dimarob, the manager of legislative affairs for the National Federation of Independent Business, the small-business lobby.

Dimarob said the lobby's primary concern was that its costs would rise over the next four years as a result of fees, taxes and coverage mandates related to the overhaul.

"The next question that comes out of their mouths is: 'What do I have to do right now?' They need to start talking with their accountant, depending on how they're organized, what industry they're in and whether they're offering insurance now and what kind they're offering. We're suggesting they talk to their agent or broker."

Suntan businesses face a new excise tax starting in July as part of the overhaul. Other business owners are trying to understand new Internal Revenue Service reporting requirements related to business-to-business transactions that will kick in as a result of the new law. Others are looking ahead to coverage mandates for 2014 and calculating how many part-time versus full-time employees they should have to best contain costs.

While Obama has been touting a tax credit for small businesses that offer employees health coverage, Dimarob said many small businesses wouldn't be able to participate. First they must do research to see whether they qualify. "It requires them to understand the intricacies," she said.

The president has begun traveling the country to talk about the new law to ordinary Americans. In Maine last week, he explained many highlights of the four-year phase-in. However, Obama's remarks were laced with enough political rhetoric to dilute his policy message.

Many organizations have produced timelines explaining when provisions are to be phased in. Still, it's confusing for consumers, and until the administration issues more regulations, many details can't be pinned down.

"The first meeting the president held with the team post-passage was on implementation," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said. "Obviously this is a big task, and a campaign to ensure that people understand what benefits are coming online when obviously will be tremendously important."
« Last Edit: April 07, 2010, 05:30:27 PM by Kramer »

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Re: Stupid Fucking People
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 12:05:55 PM »
By Nov, the electorate will have a clear picture of where the Dems are trying to take this country.  At least for those who didn't already know better
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 01:20:24 PM »
I was reading an account of Medicare's first-year problems, which included major institutional resistance and a GOP sabotage-and-repeal campaign similar to Obamacare problems, except that the institutional resistance came from several major institutions, including the A.M.A., which seems to be on-board for Obamacare, and from the insurance industry, which is now de-fanged thanks to the shameful abandonment of the public option.

The advantage that first-year Obamacare will have over first-year Medicare is that the ONLY organized resistance to it seems to be purely political.  Obama has de-fused all other institutional opposition and I personally think this will be a huge advantage for the American people, who will now be able to see very clearly which party is on their side and which party is ideologically driven to be against their interests.  I don't give a shit because I already know the Democrats are by far  the better party, but if I WERE a Republican I would be God-damn incensed by the way the party is setting itself up for another smashing defeat in November.

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 01:28:33 PM »
Mikey,

Americans may be ignorant but they are not stupid.

In a nutshell, ObamaCare is like buying a car.

You take out a 10 year note, pay on it for all 10 years but only get to drive it for the last six years.

I don't know many people who would buy a car on those terms, but it doesn't surprise me that the dems would sell one like that.

This has never been about health care or insurance reform. It has always been about adding another layer of federal bureaucracy, and the union jobs,  to our daily lives.

 

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 01:34:05 PM »
I was reading an account of Medicare's first-year problems, which included major institutional resistance and a GOP sabotage-and-repeal campaign similar to Obamacare problems, except that the institutional resistance came from several major institutions, including the A.M.A., which seems to be on-board for Obamacare, and from the insurance industry, which is now de-fanged thanks to the shameful abandonment of the public option.

LOL...because medicare has been run oh so far more efficiently, since that 1st year.  Refresh our memory again Tee, how far over budget is it now than what the CBO originally projected??  The word "exponential" comes to mind


I don't give a shit because I already know the Democrats are by far  the better party, but if I WERE a Republican I would be God-damn incensed by the way the party is setting itself up for another smashing defeat in November.

Oh, please someone save this in an easy to find link, here in the saloon.  Can't wait to see how Tee tries to rebutt/rationalize his own proclaimation, come Nov
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 01:38:12 PM »
Kramer complaining about stupid, stupid people can only be described as ironic.

The start of the HR program was delayed because of the current financial mess, most of which was caused by what Juniorbush left behind.

And I think it is bogus to claim that it is about control.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 01:38:47 PM »
<<This has never been about health care or insurance reform. It has always been about adding another layer of federal bureaucracy, and the union jobs,  to our daily lives. >>

Sorry, BT, but that last sentence of yours is just incredible.  There was no public pressure at all for "another layer of federal bureaucracy" or "more union jobs," but there was mounting pressure for YEARS to do something about the health-care system.  You're always so contemptuous of conspiracy theories but now you're asking us to believe that the Democratic Party is engaged in a massive conspiracy to utilize the public demands for health-care reform as a smoke-screen for the realization of their undeclared aim of adding layers of federal bureaucracy and union jobs to the economy.  What a crock.

Also, your analogy is flawed.  There aren't any ten-year limits, the expectation is that health-care is not only here to stay, but that it will be expanded over time, hopefully soon with a public option, followed a few years later by universal care, single-payer, as the sheeple gradually get used to their extra-mild dose of "socialized medicine" and find out that it ain't so bad after all.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 01:43:21 PM »
The only "mounting pressure" to push Cash for Croakers (aka Obamacare) was the far left base.  They didn't get everything they wanted, but they got what they truely wanted,....a government that is now running in a center-left direction.  The "full speed ahead" mantra being pushed by messers Pelosi & Obama will come to a nice grinding halt, come Nov, and demonstrate to you and like minds clearly where this "push" really was coming from.  (read, not from the electorate)
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 02:39:05 PM »
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You're always so contemptuous of conspiracy theories but now you're asking us to believe that the Democratic Party is engaged in a massive conspiracy to utilize the public demands for health-care reform as a smoke-screen for the realization of their undeclared aim of adding layers of federal bureaucracy and union jobs to the economy.  What a crock.

Crock my ass.

What reforms will be in place before the hiring of that additional layer of bureaucracy?

 




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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2010, 02:49:58 PM »
I was reading an account of Medicare's first-year problems, which included major institutional resistance and a GOP sabotage-and-repeal campaign similar to Obamacare problems, except that the institutional resistance came from several major institutions, including the A.M.A., which seems to be on-board for Obamacare, and from the insurance industry, which is now de-fanged thanks to the shameful abandonment of the public option.

The advantage that first-year Obamacare will have over first-year Medicare is that the ONLY organized resistance to it seems to be purely political.  Obama has de-fused all other institutional opposition and I personally think this will be a huge advantage for the American people, who will now be able to see very clearly which party is on their side and which party is ideologically driven to be against their interests.  I don't give a shit because I already know the Democrats are by far  the better party, but if I WERE a Republican I would be God-damn incensed by the way the party is setting itself up for another smashing defeat in November.

less than 20% of doctors belong to AMA -- they speak for no one.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 02:52:22 PM »
Kramer complaining about stupid, stupid people can only be described as ironic.

The start of the HR program was delayed because of the current financial mess, most of which was caused by what Juniorbush left behind.

And I think it is bogus to claim that it is about control.


the VAT will be coming soon thanks to huge debt caused by the Dems.

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 02:56:12 PM »
<<What reforms will be in place before the hiring of that additional layer of bureaucracy?>>

What's the difference whether the actual reforms are in place before or after the additional layers of bureaucrats?  If the bureaucrats are in fact necessary to the implementation of the reforms, better obviously to have them in place before the implementation of the reforms than after.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 02:59:10 PM »
Bt shooting fish in a barrel     8)
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 03:51:29 PM »
less than 20% of doctors belong to AMA -- they speak for no one.
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You mean "fewer", not 'less'. Doctors is a countable noun, not a collective noun.

But if fewer than 20% of doctors belong to the AMA, then it speaks for that 19% or whatever, and perhaps other doctors who agree with the AMA and just didn't feel like paying the dues. That is rather a lot of doctors, in any case.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 04:31:45 PM »
Compared to the vast majority of the other Doctors, not of the AMA, and those members of the AMA who don't support Obamacare.....not really
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