An Immigration Double Negative?

[kimba1]

hmm

ami bring up an interesting thought.

this is globally common not just in the U.S.

immigrant legal and illegal tend to be blamed for problems.

I`m just wondering will this bring more ill will toward illegal immigrants

sirs stated that law is fairly specific and shouldn`t be an issue but previous immigrant laws had unintended consequences like assualts.

at this very moment it publicly stated legal immigrants are different than illegal immigrants.

but will this opinion stay the same next year?

[sirs]

Just curious, but who here is blaming legal immigrants....for anything??

[kimba1]

not now
next year

[sirs]

Still doesn't answer the question now, does it

[kimba1]

some questions can`t be answered right away

it simply speculation

as I stated legal immigrants are thought of as separate right now , but later on is another matter.

[sirs]

So, the criticism you have of this AZ law is it "might" have some negative effect on legal immigrants in the future.  What, we don't know, based on nothing currently.

hmmmmmmmmm.  Hard to refute something so vague.  You ever think of getting into politics, Kimba?   

[Kramer]

But I have no doubts that the majority of crimes committed in CA & Arizona are illegal alien related.

You may "have no doubts" but that doesn't mean that you have any actual facts to bolster your case.

"Despite our melting-pot roots, Americans have often been quick to blame the influx of immigrants for rising crime rates. But new research released Monday shows that immigrants in California are, in fact, far less likely than U.S.-born Californians are to commit crime. While people born abroad make up about 35% of California's adult population, they account for only about 17% of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) showed. Indeed, among men ages 18 to 40 - the demographic most likely to be imprisoned - those born in the U.S. were 10 times more likely than foreign-born men to be incarcerated."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html#ixzz0mPpVt9QW

"But new research released Monday shows that immigrants in California are, in fact, far less likely than U.S.-born Californians are to commit crime."

Your study is worthless because OUR discussion is about ILLEGAL Aliens not IMMIGRANTS.

Stop wasting my time -- do you suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder? - you seem to have a hard time staying on track.
Speaking of citizens as I previously mentioned many SO-CALLED citizens are ANCHOR babies. You might want to Google that. Illegals come here have babies and lots of those kids turn into criminals, as a result of illegal activity which again proves my point.
And Loretta Sanchez got voted into Congress via voter fraud, which is a crime. She beat Bob Dornan by about 2,000 votes yet it's speculated that about 4,000 illegal votes were cast in Orange County CA.

[Amianthus]

"But new research released Monday shows that immigrants in California are, in fact, far less likely than U.S.-born Californians are to commit crime."

Your study is worthless because OUR discussion is about ILLEGAL Aliens not IMMIGRANTS.

Perhaps you should learn some reading comprehension. Illegal aliens are a subset of immigrants. So, if the total immigrant population is less likely to commit crime, a *portion* of the same population would commit even less crime than the total.

[Amianthus]

Speaking of citizens as I previously mentioned many SO-CALLED citizens are ANCHOR babies.

They are, regardless, citizens of the US. This has always been true - if you're born within the US, you are automatically a citizen.

[Kramer]

Speaking of citizens as I previously mentioned many SO-CALLED citizens are ANCHOR babies.

They are, regardless, citizens of the US. This has always been true - if you're born within the US, you are automatically a citizen.

But yet again these anchor babies might be here legally but the fact is they would not be here if not for illegal activity, which again proves my point. And yes many of these 'Citizens' are committing crimes.

Actually (regarding automatically a citizen) if you would get off your ass and do a little research there a very good arguments as to why you are wrong on that. But again, I won't be doing your job for you. Clearly the reason we are so screwed up as a nation right now is the many people (like you) that are ignorant, or have misguided concepts regarding our laws and the Constitution. Yes indeed, we are paying a high price for poorly educating people. Naturally, just one more failure of government to add to the long list of shortcomings.

[Amianthus]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you:

Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne: "All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural- born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country ... since as before the Revolution." United States v. Rhodes, 27 Fed. Cas. 785 (1866).

[Kramer]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you:

Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne: "All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural- born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country ... since as before the Revolution." United States v. Rhodes, 27 Fed. Cas. 785 (1866).

and where in the US Constitution is that written?

[Amianthus]

and where in the US Constitution is that written?

Our laws are based on English Common Law, and if something is not specific to the Constitution, the Supreme Court will look to the founder's writings and prior English Common Law. Citizenship was not added to the Constitution until the 14th Amendment, and then it broadly agreed with English Common Law except that it also specified that race did not matter.

[Kramer]

and where in the US Constitution is that written?

Our laws are based on English Common Law, and if something is not specific to the Constitution, the Supreme Court will look to the founder's writings and prior English Common Law. Citizenship was not added to the Constitution until the 14th Amendment, and then it broadly agreed with English Common Law except that it also specified that race did not matter.

so now the Constitution matters to you?

[Amianthus]

so now the Constitution matters to you?

It always has. Just because you interpret it in a way that is different from nearly everyone else does not mean that it has no meaning for those who read it correctly.