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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2010, 02:27:19 PM »
<<You can be pro-drilling and for governmental oversight of that drilling at the same time.>>

Sure you can.  Except in the long run, governmental oversight means jack-shit.  Here for example, government overseers apparently wanted all offshore rigs to have acoustic back-up switches, as is required by law in Brazil and Norway.  Oil industry lobbyists lobbied against it.  Who do you think won THAT contest?

<<You do realize that "conservation" means "use wisely" and not "do not use" don't you?>>

I realize that drilling in the Gulf will inevitably result in more spills.  I don't know the history of this drilling concession but you can bet your ass that when it was granted, there were promises and guarantees by the oil companies of "wise use" up the old wazoo but those are promises that the industry can't keep.  If permitted to drill in the Gulf, there will be more and bigger spills in the Gulf.  A matter of when and not if.  In the case of submarine oil and gas drilling, "use" and "use wisely," unfortunately are mutually exclusive terms.

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2010, 02:32:47 PM »
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That was then, this is now.

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"But the bottom line is this: Given our energy needs, in order to sustain economic growth, produce jobs and keep our businesses competitive, we're going to need to harness traditional sources of fuel even as we ramp up production of new sources of renewable, homegrown energy."

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2010, 03:11:33 PM »
Oil industry lobbyists lobbied against it.  Who do you think won THAT contest?

Then maybe you should support Palin; after all, the oil industry lobby in Alaska lost big time when she was governor of Alaska.
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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2010, 04:54:10 PM »
<< . . . after all, the oil industry lobby in Alaska lost big time when she was governor of Alaska.>>

Really?  How so?

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2010, 05:21:52 PM »
Really?  How so?

A windfall profits tax. Outsourcing the new pipeline to Canada. A few other things.
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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2010, 05:24:26 PM »
CU4, observe that I am not the one crying constantly for war, more war and even nuclear war. I consider this to be insanity. Someday, some Republican might do something worthy of a kudo, in my opinion, but as of yet, I have not heard of this occurring. I would like the President to get more done and faster, but I also realize that there are obstacles.


Unlike Tee, I think that Cuba is pretty far from being an ideal example of a just society, and had there been no embargo, I think this would still be true: I do not wish there to be a dictatorship of the proletariat or anyone else, because too much power in too few hands has never resulted in what I would consider the maximum amount of good for the greatest number, which is my ideal. Cuba is in many ways better than the USSR, and in a few ways, superior to China, in other ways inferior. China is arguably overpopulated, and yet it feds itself: Cuba is not even remotely overpopulated and cannot feed itself, or even supply basic items like toilet paper, toothpaste and laundry detergent. Part of this is because Cubans are not Chinese: Chinese society has always been rather collectivist, and Cuban society has a rather anarchical character.



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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2010, 06:12:41 PM »
<<A windfall profits tax. Outsourcing the new pipeline to Canada. A few other things.>>

Well, ya got me there.  I've been looking for some negative shit on the windfall profits tax but could not find it.  She DID put the bite on the oil companies and it looks like she wasn't in bed with them.

I was looking for a progressive blogger who had some dirt on the windfall profits tax - - maybe that despite the name, it was the smallest possible annoyance that the oil companies could have had inflicted on them, and that a tougher, Hugo Chavez-type leader could have taken a much bigger bite.  I couldn't find what I was looking for.

So although I'm naturally suspicious of Sarah, for the time being, I'll have to admit that it looks like you are right and she was not in the pocket of the oil companies, but instead really socked it to them.

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2010, 06:26:53 PM »
<<A windfall profits tax. Outsourcing the new pipeline to Canada. A few other things.>>

Well, ya got me there.  I've been looking for some negative shit on the windfall profits tax but could not find it.  She DID put the bite on the oil companies and it looks like she wasn't in bed with them.

I was looking for a progressive blogger who had some dirt on the windfall profits tax - - maybe that despite the name, it was the smallest possible annoyance that the oil companies could have had inflicted on them, and that a tougher, Hugo Chavez-type leader could have taken a much bigger bite.  I couldn't find what I was looking for.

So although I'm naturally suspicious of Sarah, for the time being, I'll have to admit that it looks like you are right and she was not in the pocket of the oil companies, but instead really socked it to them.


I think you should suspect the motives of anyone who tells you half the story.

Democrats wanted to get elected more than they wanted the quality of Sara Palin to be fairly evaluated.

I know , the same thing running in the other direction is easy to find.

I know to take a grain of salt along with the news anytime that there is a lot of payoff for results and little demand for credability.

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2010, 06:44:42 PM »
What party do you think it was that setup the National Park System?

BT....if I'm not mistaken I think a Republican signed the creation of the
Environmental Protection Agency and another Republican signed
the Clean Water Act into law.
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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2010, 06:56:39 PM »

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BT....if I'm not mistaken I think a Republican signed the creation of the
Environmental Protection Agency and another Republican signed
the Clean Water Act into law.

You are not mistaken.

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Re: From the "Drill, Baby, Drill" Morons, a Deafening Silence
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2010, 08:45:53 PM »
oh no.....now Cu4 is calling into question Tee's honesty. 
Will Tee have no one else to "debate" with??  Cu4, how could you??

Not really SIRS....I just think we all get so polarized
sometimes...in anger we can get to the point of denying 2+2=4

In fact I see Michael as much more "honest" than XO.
XO will never ever give credit to what he opposes or attack his own side
I have seen Michael do both.
You ever seen XO attack Obama?.....LOL....Not gonna happen!
Michael on the other hand has basically posted about his multiple displeasures with Obama.

hehe......I'm just funnin with yas Cu4.  You've become very important to Tee, in that you're not calling him out on any of his lies.  He needs some folks he can still berrate and insult, without too much fear of thier "honesty" being questioned.  In fact, very few people are calling him out on his lies, because,....*gasp*.... unlike his popular perception, he doesn't very often.  Most of the time (dare I say 98% of the time), he's simply horribly wrong, in his opinions.  But see, I have to play this game, which at the same time, helps to highlight some of this childish ploy he's using, when he doesn't want to deal with substantive inquires directed at him, by the likes of me, or Prince.  No, he has to have a hissy fit, because someone, back when, DARED to point out a specific lie on his part.

But on the point of Obama, as we all can see the reason Tee's displeasure with Obama....that his he doesn't have the conviction to stay 100% on his socialist agenda.  I mean, he is a politician, and the goal of a politician is to A) impliment your agenda, and B) get re-elected.  A VERY distant C) is to represent your constituents.  In fact, it may be W).  So there's this highwire to act of pushing a socialist, if not fascist agenda, that the vast majority of the country does NOT want any part of, yet not completely doom the Democrat party into a decade+ of minority status.  As it is, the pundits are already lining up to reference that its "normal" for a President to lose seats in a mid election.  I guess will see just how "normal" this one's going to be

Point being, notice how he's still playing the conspiracy card with the Times Square car bomb attempt?  Notice who's in charge in DC?  If this were any GOP president, Tee'd be calling for impeachment precedings, but here, not a whiff of Obama's adminstration behind it.  Just a generic claim of how this country is supposedly driving towards a Fascist Dictator

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