What seperation of Church & State?

[sirs]

"The cardinals, the archbishops, the bishops that come to me and say, 'We want you to pass immigration reform,' and I said, 'I want you to speak about it from the pulpit. I want you to instruct your' -- whatever the communication is.  The people, some (who) oppose immigration reform, are sitting in those pews, and you have to tell them that this is a manifestation of our living the gospels."

- Nancy Pelosi at the Nation's Catholic Community conference

Where's the outrage??  Where's the MSM??  Where's even the slightest hint of condemnation for an acting legislator, and leader of the House of Representatives, advocating the need of the church to push specific legislative policy??

Can you imagine the 24/7 MSM howling if this were John Boehner advocating a similar stance in pusing the church to support enforcing current immigration law??

[BT]

Hate to be argumentative but she is playing the game the way it should be played. She is putting the responsibility back on those who want action to get the groundswell of support she needs to affect change.

Not really different than how the abortion issue and or gay marriage issue is being played.

[sirs]

Hate to be a realist, but this would be 24/7 headline condemnations, from both the MSM & Dems like Pelosi, if this were a Republican lawmaker pushing legislative policy thru the church

Perhaps you can correct me, but no Republicans I'm aware of are pushing specific legislation thru the church, much less specific policy aimed at abortion or gay marriage.  Controversial topics discussed in church doesn't equal legislators advocating specific policy thru the church.  The latter is a CLEAR violation of the so-called seperation of Church & State.  Or shall we rename it Church & Stage?

[BT]

Hate to be a realist, but this would be 24/7 headline condemnations, from both the MSM & Dems like Pelosi, if this were a Republican lawmaker pushing legislative policy thru the church

I guess you have forgotten about the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition.

[sirs]

Not at all.  One again, "Controversial topics discussed and advocated in a church setting doesn't equal actual legislators advocating specific policy thru the church"

[BT]

http://www.politicalvideo.org/george-bush-addresses-southern-baptist-convention-annual-meeting

[sirs]

Was he ADVOCATING that the Ministers/Referends/Pastors need to push their parishners in supporting specific legislation, pending congress.  Or was he simply speaking, like any other guest speaker?

[BT]

I believe he was talking about shared values, same as Pelosi. Remember the bishops came to her seeking immigration reform.

[sirs]

No, NOT the same as Pelosi.  Not even close.  Talking about "shared values" is NOT talking to and practically "commanding" church leaders/pastors to push specific legislation support, because doing so "is a manifestation of our living the gospels"

See the difference yet?  I believe you do, I just think you're trying to be particularly arguementative, for some reason.  That's neither a compliant nor criticism of you, merely an observation

[BT]

"is a manifestation of our living the gospels"

Sounds like shared values to me. She was agreeing with the Bishops.

[sirs]

*snicker*......yea, practically interchangable, that of pushing specific DC legislation vs speaking about common goals in life.     

[BT]

Because faith-based groups should never have to forfeit their religious liberty to get federal dollars -- and that's an important concept -- we want your help, we want your love, but at the same time, you do not have to forget the mission of faith or ignore the mission of faith that calls you to action in the first place. And that's why the executive order I signed should be codified into federal law. Congress needs to pass charitable choice legislation to forever guarantee equal treatment for our faith-based organizations when they compete for federal funds.

[sirs]

So, you'll now point out the specific legislation being referred to, and the push by Bush of Minsisters to help "educate their masses" to support said legislation.

[BT]

If Congress is to pass legislation the people want, whether it be immigration reform, or faith based initiatives, then congress needs to know the peoples thoughts on the matter. Pelosi urged the Bishops to organize their flock just as Bush as the SBC to get the word out to their flocks.

I really don't see a big difference nor do i think it is any violation of the first by either party.

So what do we have left but a plaintiff wail about how unfair the MSM is because they aren't making a big deal about it but we are sure they would if it were the GOP.

And i say who cares what the MSM says.



 

[Plane]

  I guess I should be glad at the official endorsement of liveing the gosphel .