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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 09:08:26 PM »

That's really what it comes down to between this polar battle of right vs left, liberty vs control, Capitalism vs Socialism.  Tell me how I'm wrong


You're wrong in trying equate political 'right' with 'liberty.


I think that the political right includes a lot of freedom loving people .

Are the borders of libertairianism across a great gulf from the conservatives?
Or a narrow straight?

I think that when a strong Libertairian canadate runs for an office the conservative vote is split , and the leftist vote is intact.

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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 09:13:24 PM »
That's really what it comes down to between this polar battle of right vs left, liberty vs control, Capitalism vs Socialism.  Tell me how I'm wrong
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2010, 11:20:31 PM »

The actual wording is all the evidence necessary.

"You're wrong in trying equate political 'right' with 'liberty." = It's right to believe that the political 'right' does not equate with liberty/freedom


Even assuming for the sake of argument that is what I meant, "It's right to believe that the political 'right' does not equate with liberty/freedom" still is not "a simple accusation, broadbrushing the 'political right' as not wanting liberty/freedom".


Care to provide an alternate meaning?


An alternate meaning to "a simple accusation, broadbrushing the 'political right' as not wanting liberty/freedom"? Sure. You're wrong in trying equate political 'right' with 'liberty'. As in, the two are not equivalent, interchangeable, fungible, synonymous, et cetera.


Contrary to popular Libertarian thought process, Libertarians aren't the ONLY folk that advocate freedom & liberty, Prince.  Some ideologies are simply a tad more constructive in doing so


I don't know what the LP thinking is, but you clearly have no idea what popular (small 'l') libertarian thought process is. And I won't mention what I think of the second sentence.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2010, 11:23:28 PM »

I think that the political right includes a lot of freedom loving people .


Yes, it certainly does.


Are the borders of libertairianism across a great gulf from the conservatives?
Or a narrow straight?


I don't know.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2010, 11:26:31 PM »


Sure. You're wrong in trying equate political 'right' with 'liberty'. As in, the two are not equivalent, interchangeable, fungible, synonymous, et cetera

Wow ....even I wouldn't go so far as to say that the entire right is perfectly freedom loving or that there is no wrong on the Right or that "right " and "freedom" were a synonym.


Um... who did?

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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2010, 11:27:54 PM »

I think that the political right includes a lot of freedom loving people .


Yes, it certainly does.


Are the borders of libertairianism across a great gulf from the conservatives?
Or a narrow straight?


I don't know.
You don't know and I am not sure .

This is worthy of discussion.

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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2010, 12:31:45 AM »

Wow ....even I wouldn't go so far as to say that the entire right is perfectly freedom loving or that there is no wrong on the Right or that "right " and "freedom" were a synonym.


Um... who did?


No one.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2010, 12:35:13 AM »

This is worthy of discussion.


I recommend you start here: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2010, 05:40:28 AM »

This is worthy of discussion.


I recommend you start here: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

Ah yes, the extreme fun of canned answers.


Your PERSONAL issues Score is 60%

Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.



Color me surprised.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2010, 11:23:54 AM »
So you don't actually want to discuss it. I keep forgetting the goal here is to make fun of libertarians. And though that might be fun for you, it's beginning to lose its appeal to me.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2010, 12:38:13 PM »
And who's made it that goal?

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Now, if I were to apply the Prince-approved application of lying, I could claim you're lying about the claim that the goal around here is to make fun of libertarians.

It's one thing to be supposedly wrong about something.  It's completely another to claim one means/believes something, while they claim something else
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2010, 08:00:18 PM »

It's one thing to be supposedly wrong about something.  It's completely another to claim one means/believes something, while they claim something else


Indeed. Tell that to Sirs... oh, wait....
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2010, 08:02:56 PM »
And lookie there....no answer to the question.  Imagine that
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2010, 08:43:22 PM »
Sirs, I've explained why I have zero incentive to answer your questions. I'm not here to play your game where you say any made up thing you like about what I say, and I'm supposed to accept your false version of my words as truth. When you are prepared for a honest discussion, let me know. I'll be happy to answer your questions.
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Re: Opportunity vs Outcome
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2010, 08:51:05 PM »
And prince, as I've explained before, your lies about claims of my lies, are as trasnparent as bathwater.  And as referenced earlier, your continued kneejerk application of the term, minus any proof of such, minus any effort to actually address the debate-like questions posed, shows far more how flimsy your position is, and how far more deflective you present yourself as.  Case in point, this thread, consistently ignoring the original point of the thread, and instead perpetuating this cycle of name calling and claims of my trying to say something you never said.  My hyperbole and sarcasm does not equate to lying, when it simply highlights positions of yours that are weak at best. 

It's not lying, if its an assessment I've made, based on your own words.  It's only lying if I claim your saying 1 thing, but know you're trying to say something else

Catch the difference yet?  Going to address the question posed in the prior post, or the original point of the thread?? 
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