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In defense of Israel

By Charles Krauthammer
Sunday, June 6, 2010

WASHINGTON - The world is outraged at Israel?s blockade of Gaza. Turkey denounces its illegality, inhumanity,
barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third World and European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.

But as Leslie Gelb, former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, writes, the blockade is not just
perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal
. Gaza under Hamas is a self-declared enemy of Israel - a declaration
backed up by more than 4,000 rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having pledged itself to unceasing
belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel imposes a blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with
still more rockets.

In World War II, with full international legality, the United States blockaded Germany and Japan. And during
the October 1962 missile crisis, we blockaded (?quarantined?) Cuba. Yet Israel is accused of international
criminality for doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to prevent a hostile state
from acquiring lethal weaponry.


Oh, but weren?t the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian relief? No. Otherwise they would have
accepted Israel?s offer to bring their supplies to an Israeli port, be inspected for military materiel and have
the rest trucked by Israel into Gaza - as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other humanitarian
supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.

Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin admitted, the flotilla was not about
humanitarian relief but about breaking the blockade, i.e., ending Israel?s inspection regime, which
would mean unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.

Israel has already twice intercepted weapons-laden ships from Iran destined for Hezbollah and Gaza.
What country would allow that?
But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to blockade?
 Because, blockade is Israel?s fallback as the world systematically delegitimizes its traditional ways of defending
itself - forward and active defense.

(1) Forward defense: As a small, densely populated country surrounded by hostile states,
Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted forward defense - fighting wars on enemy territory
(such as the Sinai and Golan Heights) rather than its own.

Where possible (Sinai, for example), Israel has traded territory for peace. But where peace offers were
refused, Israel retained the territory as a protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of
southern Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many losses in Gaza, rather than
expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian terror attacks.

But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The Israelis were told the occupations were
not just illegal but at the root of the anti-Israel insurgencies - and therefore withdrawal, by removing the cause,
would bring peace.

Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel gave the land - evacuating South Lebanon in
2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it get? An intensification of belligerency
, heavy militarization of the enemy side,
multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of unrelenting rocket attacks.

(2) Active defense: Israel then had to switch to active defense - military action to disrupt, dismantle
and defeat (to borrow President Obama?s description of our campaign against the Taliban and al-Qaeda) the
newly armed terrorist mini-states established in southern Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.

The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09. They were met with yet another avalanche
of opprobrium and calumny by the same international community that had demanded the land-for-peace Israeli
withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone report, which essentially criminalized Israel?s defensive
operation in Gaza while whitewashing the casus belli - the preceding and unprovoked Hamas rocket war -
effectively delegitimized any active Israeli defense against its self-declared terror enemies.

(3) Passive defense. Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and
benign of all defenses - a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is
headed for international delegitimation.

But, if none of these are permissible, what?s left?

Nothing. The whole point of this relentless international campaign is to deprive Israel of any legitimate
form of self-defense.

The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, six million - that number again - hard by the Mediterranean,
refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized
and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists - Iran in particular
- openly prepare a more final solution.

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Michael Tee

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The rockets were fired in response to the Israeli campaign of targeted assassinations of Hamas leaders.  Short of organizing a counter-campaign of targeted assassinations of Israeli political leaders, the rockets are the only means of response the Palestinians possess.  Several agreements (no targeted assassinations, no rockets) were broken by the Israelis.  They don't really give a shit about the rockets, which hardly ever cause property damage, let alone loss of human life, they try to provoke the rocket attacks as an excuse to continue the embargo, to make life in Gaza unbearable, to force out the Arabs and once ethnically cleansed, to bring back the Israeli settlers, this time without the need for an occupying force to protect them.  The economics of protecting 8,000 settlers from a population of a million and a half Arabs did not make much sense.

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The rockets were fired in response to the Israeli campaign of targeted assassinations of Hamas leaders.  Short of organizing a counter-campaign of targeted assassinations of Israeli political leaders, the rockets are the only means of response the Palestinians possess.  Several agreements (no targeted assassinations, no rockets) were broken by the Israelis.  They don't really give a shit about the rockets, which hardly ever cause property damage, let alone loss of human life, they try to provoke the rocket attacks as an excuse to continue the embargo, to make life in Gaza unbearable, to force out the Arabs and once ethnically cleansed, to bring back the Israeli settlers, this time without the need for an occupying force to protect them.  The economics of protecting 8,000 settlers from a population of a million and a half Arabs did not make much sense.

maybe they should have kept their threats to themselves. You see, sometimes when a big mouth opens up and threatens the wrong fella then there can be a price to pay. Tough shit, if a few loud mouths get assassinated. They got what the earned.

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<<maybe they should have kept their threats to themselves. You see, sometimes when a big mouth opens up and threatens the wrong fella then there can be a price to pay. Tough shit, if a few loud mouths get assassinated. They got what the earned.>>

Hamas is a political movement.  It's kinda hard to be a political movement if you are threatened into a total silence.  They won't be able to communicate their aims and attract followers if they keep their program - - which included taking back their land from the folks who stole it by necessary violence - - to themselves.   They know as well as anyone else that the invaders who stole their land will exact a price and they're prepared to pay it.  That is what it means to resist an occupation.

So I think your recommendation would be:  let the Jews kick you off your lands and into refugee camps but DON'T FIGHT BACK because if you fight back they will kill  you.  If you ignore my advice and fight back, LET THEM KILL YOUR LEADERS, but DON'T REACT TO THE MURDERS.  If you react to the murders and they bitch about "rockets" which almost never hit any target and kill thousands of you and then impose a blockade on you, DON'T REACT TO THE BLOCKADE.

Your opinion is bizarre and hilarious.  All violence is permitted to the invaders and occupiers of Arab lands, no violence is permitted to the resistors.  Any violence inflicted by the Israelis is good, any counter-violence from the Palestinians is bad.

Fortunately the outcome of the struggle will not be decided by "well-wishers" such as yourself.  This will depend on the will and the fighting spirit of the Palestinians and their ability to attract allies who can help in their struggle.  If you look at root causes, the root cause of this mess is the immigration of millions of Jews into Palestine before and after WWII and the dispossession of millions of Palestinians from their land.  It is a huge injustice that needs to be reversed.  The outcome will depend on which side is the stronger.  Right now, that is the Israelis, but the situation is fluid.  The Palestinians just scored an enormous victory, but what they do with it and how it ultimately plays out cannot be foreseen.

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The outcome will depend on which side is the stronger.  Right now, that is the Israelis, but the situation is fluid.  The Palestinians just scored an enormous victory, but what they do with it and how it ultimately plays out cannot be foreseen.

The Palestinian cause is so short on victorys that the martydom of nine Turks at sea is a victory? a large one?

I hope that the Palistinains and their allies can stand a bigger victory I forsee a more enourmous one coming .

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It ain't over till it's over, plane.  Gloat all you want for now.

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The rockets were fired in response to the Israeli campaign of targeted assassinations of Hamas leaders.  

Oh, you mean the leaders with the sole platform/agenda of ridding the region of Jews, and seeking a cease to the existance of Israel??  Gads, why would Israel do such a thing??

*sarcasm alert*

Perhaps someone should ask Tee, which came first...the chicken or the egg?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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It ain't over till it's over, plane.  Gloat all you want for now.


What would be over?

If the Jews of Isreal were violently ejected , would that be over?

Seems as if that was more like the beginning of this mess than the end.