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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2010, 11:20:09 PM »
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Each of these was the frount or the organiser of a small organisation on the grow.

Each of these acted on their convictions, if others followed their lead or aided their cause, so much the better.

The point i am making is that the responsibility to act lays with the individual, and if they sincerely believe a wrong is being done, they shouldn't wait around for someone to tell them what to do.


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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2010, 11:36:09 PM »
<<Tell that to Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Lech Walesa or any other individual who took action on their own.>>

Rosa Parks was a long-time secretary to E.D. Nixon, the head of the Montgomery chapter of the NAACP.  They were originally preparing a defence for a 16-year-old black teenager arrested for challenging the Jim Crow policies of the local bus company when a decision was taken not to publicize her case because she was pregnant and unmarried, thus being a poor image for the black community to rally around.  E.D. Nixon and Rosa Parks then decided that it would have to be Rosa herself who would challenge the bus company and become the focus of the black community's anti-segregation campaign.

Lech Walesa was an anti-Soviet agent who, I am convinced, was financed by the Vatican and/or the Western Powers to challenge Communist rule in Poland as part of a larger campaign to challenge it everywhere in the Warsaw Pact countries.

Neither one of them acted alone as an "Army of One."  Quite the contrary, they had lined up a lot of support  and knew where to find more once their cause reached critical mass.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2010, 12:27:57 AM »
That's a shame that Rosa Parks was put up to it.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2010, 12:41:20 AM »
<<That's a shame that Rosa Parks was put up to it.>>

She was a soldier in a war.  Nobody "put her up to it."  When the soldier ahead of her fell, she stepped in and carried on with the fight.  More power to her.

You seem to have a real fear of collective action.  If she pushes forward as part of a collective struggle, she's just a pawn in someone's game.  If she proceeds entirely on her own, an "Army of One," she's a sacrificial lamb.  You have to ask yourself which prospect is more agreeable to your ruling class, as an enemy of the status quo - - a successful collective struggle or a sacrificial lamb.

The myth is that every American is a rugged individualist, an Army of One.  Your brainwashing was successful to the point that you hate and fear the very idea of collective action.  It's GOTTA be bad.  "Shame Rosa Parks was put up to it."  Yeah right.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2010, 12:45:36 AM »
The soldier in front of her didn't fall, she was pushed aside. And that's a shame.


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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2010, 12:54:51 AM »
<<The soldier in front of her didn't fall, she was pushed aside. And that's a shame. >>

I couldn't agree with you more.  It is a shame.  I read a very detailed interview with her a few years ago, though.  It was good to see that she was finally getting some recognition for her great courage, late as it was.  It would have been a far bigger shame for her to have died without that recognition.

The Movement wasn't without its blemishes, its mistakes and its own injustices.  It was human.  I don't think it takes away from the courage of Rosa Parks.  Maybe in some smaller way, it diminishes her; perhaps she could have been more tolerant, less accommodating to convention, but those conventions were her conventions too, and above all else, they were considering the moral force of the Movement in the eyes of the general public.  Rightly or wrongly, they decided in what they considered the best interests of the Movement.  Perhaps it was nothing more than an error in tactical judgment and more likely that was no error at all, given the mood of the times.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 11:26:10 AM »
Tell that to Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Lech Walesa or any other individual who took action on their own.

NONE of these people acted independently.

Rosa Parks was selected, the day was selected, the bus was selected, the time was selected. It was all coordinated by the SCLC.

Harriet Tubman had a large number of Underground Railroad collaborators.

Lech Walesa was the leader of a large union. The RC Church was behind him.

All these people were courageous, but none of them acted alone.
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NONE was anything remotely resembling an "Army of One". The only effective Army of One I know of is Rambo, and he is fictional.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2010, 03:53:07 PM »
<<What could do to end the situation in Gaza? What could anyone sitting at home do? I tend to think that sending money to Hamas would be a very bad idea.>>

I am actively looking for a local BDS initiative to get behind.  I think government action is a lost cause.  Both in Canada and the U.S.A., the legislators are individually bought and paid for by Zio-Nazi activists.  AIPAC is just the tip of the iceberg.  There are individuals totally unconnected with AIPAC, doctors, lawyers, accountants and dentists, who put up as little as $20,000 to $30,000 jointly, (the total from three or four individuals) then meet with their Congressman or Senator every few months and hand him the envelope, all cash, no receipts requested, no strings attached except one:  "We don't give a shit about any issue except Israel; vote any way you like on anything else, but cross Israel just one time, no matter what the excuse, and you'll never see another envelope from us.  And this is in ADDITION to whatever AIPAC gives - - these guys don't even want to know the size of the AIPAC contribution.  This goes on all over the US and together with the other AIPAC and officially reported contributions, explains how Israel really gets away with every fucking crime and atrocity.  Shills like Krauthammer provide the cover for the legislators, if they should ever feel the need to explain the inexplicable.

BDS worked with South Africa and in theory it can work with Israel.  Because of their (the Zio-Nazis') stranglehold on the MSM, it's hard to rally the public to BDS, but I think it can work with students, trade union membership, church and synagogue groups, and various bodies organized around help for the underdog,  etc.   I think the problem is to find the group with the biggest chance of success and work your ass off for them.  And to follow each recruiting success with another recruitment drive aimed again at a new target, preferably out of the sphere of influence of the existing BDS recruits, which can be encouraged to continue your original recruiting efforts in their own industry, field of business or academia, etc.  Because of powerful Zio-Nazi influence in the MSM and the government, it's a big uphill struggle, but it's the only struggle I'm aware of (apart from the armed struggle) that looks even remotely promising.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2010, 04:24:55 PM »
This is very illegal. You have any evidence that it's happened?
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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 04:26:10 PM »
Do you suppose it could be even _more_ effective than the armed struggle?

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 04:34:28 PM »
This is very illegal. You have any evidence that it's happened?

We should expect the SOP, that lack of evidence is proof positive, because they're just that nefariously evil
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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 07:27:55 PM »
What does BDS stand for?

 Do you propose an anti-Israeli BDS?

I am not clear about what you mean here.
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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 07:49:01 PM »
BDS = Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions

Boycott all products of Israel - - two large Italian supermarket chains just removed Israeli products from their shelves last week, for example.  Boycott Israel culturally - - don't show their films, don't host their artists, don't invite them to academic conferences.  The other side of the coin - - if you are an artist, boycott them from your performances.  Also last week, Elvis Costello canceled a previously scheduled concert in Tel Aviv.

Divestment - don't hold Israeli securities.  If you own shares in Israeli companies, dump them.  If you own real estate in Israel, dump it.  Typically, university and hospital trust funds hold wide investment portfolios.  Find out what's in the investment portfolio of your local university, or even companies whose shares are traded on the stock exchange.  If, for example, you find that a U.S. oil company holds shares in one or more Israeli energy companies, or that your local university owns shares in Israeli high-tech companies, urge the oil company or the university to DIVEST - - to sell the shares in the Israeli companies and buy other non-Israeli shares for the portfolio.  Be a pain in the ass - - write open letters, publish ads signed by local notables, attend shareholders' meetings or public meetings of the university.   Ideally, make it unthinkable for any new Israeli company to issue its IPO in America.

Sanctions - call for sanctions (trade sanctions) by your federal, state or even local government on Israel.  Increase public pressure for government sanctions.  This is marginal in North America only because the MSM and the government are firmly in the pocket of the special interests and you can bet yer ass that no government sanctions will ever be declared here on Israel, unless there is first a sea-change in the way politics is conducted here.

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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 07:53:03 PM »
Good luck with that
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Re: I am having a problem with the LEFT wing media . . .
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 08:17:33 PM »
boycotts are tricky since it totally depends on the situation for it`s effectiveness.
ex. disney got boycotted and nobody noticed. exxon got boycotted and private owners got one hurt by it.