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Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« on: June 13, 2010, 08:22:41 PM »
In bold move, Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
By COLLEEN SLEVIN, Associated Press Writer Colleen Slevin, Associated Press Writer Sat Jun 12, 10:58 pm ET

DENVER ? Colorado is changing the rules for how teachers earn and keep the sweeping job protections known as tenure, linking student performance to job security despite outcry from teacher unions that have steadfastly defended the system for decades.

Many education reform advocates consider tenure to be one of the biggest obstacles to improving America's schools because it makes removing mediocre or even incompetent teachers difficult.

Colorado's legislature changed tenure rules despite opposition from the state's largest teacher's union, a longtime ally of majority Democrats. Gov. Bill Ritter, also a Democrat, signed the bill into law last month.

It requires teachers to be evaluated annually, with at least half of their rating based on whether their students progressed during the school year. Beginning teachers will have to show they've boosted student achievement for three straight years to earn tenure.

Teachers could lose tenure if their students don't show progress for two consecutive years. Under the old system, teachers simply had to work for three years to gain tenure, the typical wait around the country.

After the bill survived a filibuster attempt and passed a key House vote, Democratic Rep. Nancy Todd, a 25-year teacher who opposed the measure, broke into tears.

"I don't question your motives," an emotional Todd said to the bill's proponents. "But I do want you to hear my heart because my heart is speaking for over 40,000 teachers in the state of Colorado who have been given the message that it is all up to them."

While other states have tried to modify tenure, Colorado's law was the boldest education reform in recent memory, according to Kate Walsh, the president of the Washington-based National Council on Teacher Quality, which promotes changing the way teachers are recruited and retained, including holding tenured teachers accountable with annual reviews.

Walsh thinks Colorado is now at the head of the pack in the second round of the Obama administration's Race to the Top competition, a $4.35 billion pot of stimulus money designed to prod just such changes.

"If I was a betting woman, I would absolutely put Colorado in first place," she said.

Teachers won't be at risk of losing tenure until 2015 because lawmakers slowed down the process under political pressure from the teachers' union. Teachers can appeal dismissal all the way to the state Supreme Court, and school districts have the burden of proving why they should be terminated.

Every state but Wisconsin has some form of tenure. The protections were intended to protect teachers from being fired because of their politics, religion or other arbitrary reasons. But Patrick McGuinn, a political science professor at Drew University who has studied tenure, said they have evolved into virtual employment guarantees.

On average, school districts across the country dismiss 2.1 percent of teachers annually, generally for bad conduct rather than performance.

Colorado's measure is a tribute to the tenacity of freshman Democratic state Sen. Michael Johnston, a former Teach for America teacher, principal and Obama education adviser.

The 35-year-old Harvard- and Yale-trained lawyer was appointed to represent a largely minority Denver district that has seen an influx of more white residents because of redevelopment of the city's former airport. He successfully fought changes to the bill that would have eased expectations for teachers with traditionally low performing students.

"What we're saying is that it matters that every one of those kids will get across the finish line," Johnston said.

Although various states have responded to the lure of federal money by moving to tie teacher evaluations to student performance, no other state specifically changed its tenure laws as Colorado did.

In Louisiana, GOP Gov. Bobby Jindal signed a bill partially grading teachers on student test scores in up to 27 school districts. Tenured teachers would face a revocation of tenure hearing if they repeatedly fail under the law, which was opposed by teachers unions.

A push to eliminate tenure for all new teachers and make it easier to fire teachers in Florida passed the Legislature this year but was vetoed by Republican Gov. Charlie Crist, who is now running for the U.S. Senate as an independent.

Past efforts to change tenure have caused problems for both parties.

In Georgia, Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes lost the support of the teachers' union ? and later his office ? after pushing to get rid of tenure for new hires in 2000.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger tangled with teachers and lost after calling a special election to change tenure rules in 2005. The teachers' union raised dues and amassed $50 million to fight the proposal.

Many teachers and some education experts argue that tenure reform is unnecessary.

Margaret Bobb, an earth science teacher at Denver's East High School, said bad teachers are often quietly coached out of their jobs by administrators, avoiding the protracted tenure dismissal process. She contends tenure is still needed to prevent good teachers from being dismissed for running afoul of administrators and to prevent experienced ? and more expensive ? teachers from being let go by cash-strapped districts.

"Education is not just you and your class. It's not an individual activity. If you're doing your best, it's a system you're a part of," Bobb said.

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 08:25:35 PM »
it's about time they can read the handwriting on the wall.

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 11:52:07 PM »
teachers please help

can teachers teach nowadays?

I really don`t know whats going on in schools today.

ex, does present system make it hard or easy to teach?

to the outside observer teaching looks easy- which means nothing.

my question is would teaching be worth doing without tenure?

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 11:55:20 PM »
teachers please help

can teachers teach nowadays?

I really don`t know whats going on in schools today.

ex, does present system make it hard or easy to teach?

to the outside observer teaching looks easy- which means nothing.

my question is would teaching be worth doing without tenure?


It was before unions
and produced better
results. Let's try it
again and see.

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 12:06:52 AM »
Good gravy...linking teacher performance with job security??  Why, the nerve of such a proposition
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 10:04:29 AM »
again
my question is can teachers teach well today?
Math Education: An Inconvenient Truth

this took me 2 trys and I`m not exactly slow in the math department.
not really a bad system,but definately not something you can learn quickly.it rerally require prior knowledge.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 12:04:07 PM »
This woman makes many very good points. I can't disagree with anything she says.

 When students have not memorized the times tables, they cannot do math in their heads.

The methods used in the textbooks she does not like are confusing and inefficient. I am all for students learning geography and how to use maps, but my guess is that because the teachers are required to "teach to the test" the map and geography activities are often skipped completely.

Four-color printing in textbooks makes them more attractive, but MUCH more expensive. The page must be run through the press four times rather than once, and more expensive paper must be used. Is a four-color math book really worth the price?

I was about average at math when I graduated from college. Then I worked part time in a drugstore, where the pharmacist refused to buy a decent cash register, so we had to total up all purchases by hand. I got to where I could double check this by doing it in my head.

When we stocked the shelves, we coded every product with the wholesale price, using the sentence G O D H E L P U S A X, where G=1, 0=2, etc, and A=0, and X meant to repeat the former number.

So typically a product would be coded GAX and sell for $1.50. GAX meant it cost a dollar. That was the usual markup. I got to where I could add both the wholesale and retail prices and know how much the store earned on each purchase. I got really good at making change as well. I think what I learned in school was a good start, but I really learned more mental math working for Gilbert Breipohl and Tony Felimonski.
 
The last time I went back to my home town, Breipohl Drugs was no more. It was started in 1876 and lasted until 1998. Now all we have is a Walgreens or two in the malls, there are on drugstores on Courthouse Square. Where the drugstore was, is now a law office.

There was a huge amount of stuff in the dirt-floored basement that no one managed to sell or return. I know that they would have given me all the old plastic and zinc Missouri state tax tokens that were down there, as no one used them after 1955. The 1/10¢ tokens were red, the ½¢ tokens were green. The older zinc ones had the same fractions  stamped on them. The thought that someday, someone would actually collect these things never occurred to me.

The problem with giving teachers tenure based on performance is how the performance is evaluated. If a principal has it in for a teacher, he can assign him classes of dullards. Not all classes are the same, and evaluations can be very subjective. I cannot complain about the results of the evaluations I was given, but I did have a couple of really annoying department heads that thought I "graded too hard", and were always asking me to give "extra credit" work to students who typically refused to buy the textbook and missed a third to two-thirds of the time, because "they needed at least a C to graduate".  But they knew no Spanish at all.

One of these actually punished me by giving me an 8AM class and a class ending at 10PM the day before.
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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 02:15:02 PM »
thank you xo
very helpful
unfortunately the factors you brought up don`t seem to me will be in consideration by the outside observer. I can emphasize enough how misunderstood this subject is.
notice how the matter of the student who doesn`t want to learn is not brought up (class of dullards) is not brought up . last I checked public school is not a voluntary institution

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 06:02:57 PM »
One thing that is quite common in public education is sorting students by ability. So they put the best and most enthusiastic students in Math A, the average students in Math B and the dullards in Math C. The theory is that the same methods will be effective with each group. This does not work, as the students in the B and C groups assume that they really are morons and try even less. Naturally, the principal puts his favorite teacher in charge of Math A. Favorite quite often means young and pretty as often as it means innovative and effective.

In the smaller schools where I taught, the principals were ex-coaches, because the coach always is bets at discipline: he can tell the misbehaving kids to do ten laps, then five more. Eventually, the number of laps it takes to cause good behavior is determined. Of course, then the principal becomes a superintendent. It impresses the school board when the coach wins the games, too.

The most successful vice principal was a former Miami Dolphin. He was a cheerful guy about the size of  Mack truck, 6'4" and maybe 300 pounds. No one ever mouthed off to him. But the high school had 2500 students. The bureaucracy was hideous. They offered me a job for the following year because "we need more White males". I declined and returned to teaching college, despite about 20% more money. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 06:09:42 PM »
but exactly why are the best teacher even needed for good students? they`re kinda self teaching to begin with. isn`t the true challenge is the slower kids .

am i missing something?

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 10:47:14 AM »
It is much harder to motivate the dullards than the good students, this is true, However, in the US, the best paid teachers are at the elite institutions. Andover Academy pays more than PS 52. They require you to live in free campus housing, and you do not have to pay taxes on all the wonderful perks they provide. MIT pays LOTS more than Punxatawney State.

The good students have the most supportive parents, and also the most influential parents. If you do not treat their kids well, they will throw a fit and perhaps withdraw their kids, which will lower the average score. Not a good thing for the Super in charge.

So the best teachers and the most resources go to the best and most self-motivated students. I think this happens everywhere, not just in the US. maybe the Cultural Revolution addressed this problem, but if it did, I imagine that China has reverted to a situation in which the wealthy city kids get the good education, and the peasants' kids get to learn how to raise ducks and pigs.


It is a lot like physical education: most of the money goes to the varsity teams. The kids that do not need the exercise and are already fit, get all the resources. The fat kids get a third-rate coach that has them doing laps at most.

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Re: Colorado alters teacher tenure rules
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 11:32:13 AM »
However, in the US, the best paid teachers are at the elite institutions.

In many places I've lived, teachers are leaving public education and fighting for the teaching slots at Catholic schools. Despite the fact that Catholic schools tend to pay less.

I'd say that your generalization was less than accurate.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 11:39:03 AM »
actually
I`m not sure where the top pay for teaching would be. I got no idea how to look for it. can anyone help?

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 05:31:07 PM »
By "elite institutions" I do not mean some parochial school. I mean Choate, Andover, Exeter, St. Paul's and several dozen other schools that are basically very expensive, have huge endowments, and run for the benefit of the children of the oligarchy. The salaries paid are pretty high, and these are live-in schools, where special tax laws allow the school to provide both room and board for the faculty in such a way that no income tax is due on these perks. Faculty are required to live on the premises. That was the way it used to be, anyway. Such schools rarely have faculty unions, and tenure is at best ,iffy, or so I have heard from people who have experience in such places.

Teachers that abandon public schools for parochial schools generally are fleeing ghetto schools in dangerous neighborhoods for schools where they get better educated and better motivated students and a lot more parental cooperation.

There are a number of public schools in very wealthy neighborhoods where salaries are very high. Beverley Hills HS is one of these, but Short Hills, NJ, Jupiter Island, FL, Shaker Heights, OH are a few of the others.
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