Cut Israel Off

[Xavier_Onassis]

Okay, I'll buy that option as well. But all troops, etc come out of anyplace else like Saudi Arabia.

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There were US troops in Saudi Arabia at Dahrein. This is a violation of the Koran, which has always said "there shall not be two religions in Arabia", and it really pissed the Saudi fundamentalists off bigtime. To make matters worse, some of the troops and their wives brought bibles in Arabia into Saudi Arabia and were distribution them. The attack on Khobar Towers was an early result of this. Olebush and Jim Baker were the clowns that thought thois deployment up, and Clinton stupidly left them there, as did Juniorbush.

Then came 9-11, and the troops were withdrawn, transferred to Bahreain and Qatar, mostly, with little or no publicity in the press, since it would look like a retreat, (which it was).

Officially, there are no US troops in Saudi Arabia now at all.
It is probably that there are only advisors there now, and the passing out of Arabic Bibles has ceased.

Converting Saudis to Holy Rollers is probably a fruitless pursuit.

The US has no troops in Israel, either. But the problem is not troops, it is US support for what is anl effort on the part of the Israelis to colonize the West Bank. The UN Charter condemns colonization, and rightly so.

Israel has a right to exist, and even to defend itself, but doing it with my money, no.
There is no logical reason for that.

I don't personally believe that God has returned Israeli real estate to the Zionists. One could argue just as logically that the Roman diaspora was also an Act of God. God, being omnipotent, could surely have prevented it. Perhaps it is punishment for the Jews not recognizing Jesus as the Messiah. Certainly one could look on it that way.

Others say that most European Jews are not ethnic Hebrews at all, but the descendants of a Turkic people known as the Khazars, and therefore do not have the needed DNA to claim divine ownership of Palestine.

On the other hand, if God does favor Israel holding whatever territory he so desires, then US aid for Israel is unnecessary and excessive.

In any case, eventually the greater birthrate of Palestinians, even  Palestinian citizens of Israel proper (the people the Israelis call "Israeli Arabs"), wil outnumber Israelis within Israel, and at that point, Israel will become a non-religious state or will have to give up being a democracy.

The idea that every citizen of any state, or the favored citizens of a state, should all be of one reigion, is a really BAD idea. It is as bad an idea for the Jews as it was for the Christians in the Middle Ages and as it is for the Muslims  in any other country. Possibly the worst political idea of all time, ever.

[Plane]

One could argue just as logically that the Roman diaspora was also an Act of God.

Yes and I would .


Studys of DNA have found commonality between the Jews of Etheopia , Kenya and Europe withthe Jews of Palestine.

What is the evidence of Khazar ancestry for Jews? Why would Khazars start reading Toras and wearing prayer shawls?

[Xavier_Onassis]

What is the evidence of Khazar ancestry for Jews? Why would Khazars start reading Toras and wearing prayer shawls?
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Do a search on the word Khazar.

The Khazars occupied territory between the Russians (Christians) and the Turks (Muslims) at some time around the 8th century. They chose to be Jews because that way they would not be punished for being allies of either side.

DNA tests of Rabbis (The Levi Caste-the priesthoot) show a correlation for Jews around the world. There is a lower correlation for members of the Cohen (temple singer) caste. The tests are even less conclusive among Russian Jews, especially  those of the Israel (everyone except the Cohen and Levi) caste.



 

[Plane]

What is the evidence of Khazar ancestry for Jews? Why would Khazars start reading Toras and wearing prayer shawls?
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Do a search on the word Khazar.

The Khazars occupied territory between the Russians (Christians) and the Turks (Muslims) at some time around the 8th century. They chose to be Jews because that way they would not be punished for being allies of either side.

DNA tests of Rabbis (The Levi Caste-the priesthoot) show a correlation for Jews around the world. There is a lower correlation for members of the Cohen (temple singer) caste. The tests are even less conclusive among Russian Jews, especially  those of the Israel (everyone except the Cohen and Levi) caste.



 

I suppose that some adoption and intermarrage happened in every land , but the constancy of custom with no advantage gained thereby is amazeing.

I don't think the Kazars could become Jews without some Jews present to show them how.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I don't think the Kazars could become Jews without some Jews present to show them how.
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The Khazars of course had Jewish help when they converted, but that is entirely beside the point. As I said, the priests have DNA that matches that of other priests. It is the commoners (non-priests) who are not blood relatives.

Supposedly God bestowed Caanan, Israel, Judeah, Palestine (or whatever other name it has gone by) upon the Seed of Abraham, ie those Jews who were descended BY BLOOD from Abraham, the patriarch. Judaism has never been an evangelical religion. Converts are normally made for reasons of marriage.

The Khazars (and just look them up in the Wikipedia) were NOT descended by blood from Abraham, and therefore one could surmise are NOT deserving of the Promised Land.

The Promised Land was promised to the Seed-of-Abraham Jews, not the converted tribe Jews.

When you start talking about blood inheritance, the blood becomes an important element. Perhaps THE important element.

The State of Israel has decided that Khazars or not. the Russian and Polish Jews who may be descended from Khazars are bona fide Jews, mostly because otherwise they would have to separate Levi and Cohen from Israel, and that would cause an unseemly caste war in a country that is always patting itself on the back about how democratic it is.

As always, the Final Word on this would be God, and He continues to remain silent on this and all other issues. Perhaps he has taken up bonsai, or is over in the Delta Quadrant creating other universes.

[Plane]

"Supposedly God bestowed Caanan, Israel, Judeah, Palestine (or whatever other name it has gone by) upon the Seed of Abraham, ie those Jews who were descended BY BLOOD from Abraham, the patriarch. Judaism has never been an evangelical religion. "

That shoots Christianity in the foot doesn't it?

Converson to Judiasm produces a Jew, as far as I know it always did.

[Richpo64]

>>Time they stood alone if possible or folded if not.<<

The problem here is they won't fall. The usual suspects will continue the attack on Israel and when Israel destroys them (they won't have to worry about us holding them back because they are in debt to us), the usual suspects will whine and moan about how terrible Israel is for protecting itself.

[sirs]

... the usual suspects will whine and moan about how terrible Israel is for protecting itself.

Boy, ain't that the truth