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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Henny on December 14, 2008, 03:32:22 PM
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This has got to be, hands down, the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and I've seen it several times on the news here already (including slow-motion replays). For a minute, I thought a liberal Hoot was over there.
Angry Iraqi throws shoes at Bush in Baghdad
* Story Highlights
* Shoe-thrower dragged away; Bush makes light of incident
* Bush makes unannounced visit to Iraq, will address troops
* Visit meant to mark the conclusion of the security pact with Iraq
* Among Muslims, throwing shoes at someone is an insult
(CNN) -- President Bush made a farewell visit Sunday to Baghdad, Iraq, where he met with Iraqi leaders and was targeted by an angry Iraqi man, who jumped up and threw shoes at Bush during a news conference.
Among Muslims, throwing shoes at someone, or sitting so that the bottom of a shoe faces another person, is considered an insult.
The man was dragged out screaming after throwing the shoes. Bush ducked, and the shoes, thrown one at a time, sailed past his head during the news conference with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in his palace in the heavily fortified Green Zone.
As the man continued to scream from another room, Bush said: "That was a size 10 shoe he threw at me, you may want to know."
Bush had been lauding the conclusion of the security pact with Iraq as journalists looked on.
Bush landed at Baghdad International Airport on Sunday and traveled by helicopter to meet with President Jalal Talabani and his two vice presidents at Talabani's palace outside the Green Zone.
It marked the first time he has been outside the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad without being on a military base.
The visit was Bush's fourth since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
Afterward, Talabani praised his U.S. counterpart as a "great friend for the Iraqi people" and the man "who helped us to liberate our country and to reach this day, which we have democracy, human rights, and prosperity gradually in our country." VideoWatch President Bush and Iraq's president walk the red carpet ?
Talabani said he and Bush, who is slated to leave office next month, had spoken "very frankly and friendly" and expressed the hope that the two would remain friends even "back in Texas."
For his part, Bush said he had come to admire Talabani and his vice presidents "for their courage and for their determination to succeed."
As the U.S. and Iraqi national anthems played and Iraqi troops looked on, he and the Iraqi president walked along a red carpet.
Bush's trip was to celebrate the conclusion of the security pact with Iraq, called the Strategic Framework Agreement and the Status of Forces Agreement, the White House said.
Bush called the passage of the pact "a way forward to help the Iraqi people realize the blessings of a free society."
Bush said the work "hasn't been easy, but it has been necessary for American security, Iraqi hope, and world peace."
In remarks to reporters, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, who traveled with Bush, described the situation in Iraq as "in a transition."
"For the first time in Iraq's history and really the first time in the region, you have Sunni, Shia and Kurds working together in a democratic framework to chart a way forward for their country," he said.
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Success was never garunteed, and it still isn't, but bit by bit it seems more likely all the time.
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It would be nice if everyone, everywhere would just get along.
I am all for that.
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Gotta say I had a lot of feelings about that when I saw the video online a little while ago.
It's kind of a childish thing for a guy to do. Throwing something at a US president can get a somebody shot.
Then, there was a second of "WTF? Who does that Iraqi guy think he is throwing something at a US president?" but that was short-lived.
Then there's the idea that that sort is a good expression of how Iraqis should feel.
I think what I'm going to wind up taking away from this is really two things though.
First, I have to admit that I'm VERY impressed that Bush A) had the wherewithal and reflexes to totally duck both shoes and B) that he didn't hit the deck like a total wuss, screaming like a little girl. That second point I find most surprising.
The Second point, very concerning, is that the guy was able to get one shoe off and throw it right at Bush in the first place; then, scariest of all, is that he was able to get a second shoe off and throw it as well before any secret service was even close to him.
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Success was never garunteed, and it still isn't, but bit by bit it seems more likely all the time.
You find sunshine in the strangest places, Pollyanna.
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Gotta say I had a lot of feelings about that when I saw the video online a little while ago.
It's kind of a childish thing for a guy to do. Throwing something at a US president can get a somebody shot.
Then, there was a second of "WTF? Who does that Iraqi guy think he is throwing something at a US president?" but that was short-lived.
Then there's the idea that that sort is a good expression of how Iraqis should feel.
I think what I'm going to wind up taking away from this is really two things though.
First, I have to admit that I'm VERY impressed that Bush A) had the wherewithal and reflexes to totally duck both shoes and B) that he didn't hit the deck like a total wuss, screaming like a little girl. That second point I find most surprising.
The Second point, very concerning, is that the guy was able to get one shoe off and throw it right at Bush in the first place; then, scariest of all, is that he was able to get a second shoe off and throw it as well before any secret service was even close to him.
Good throws wern't they?
This is definately how one Iriqui feels , how do most of them feel?
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Gotta say I had a lot of feelings about that when I saw the video online a little while ago.
It's kind of a childish thing for a guy to do. Throwing something at a US president can get a somebody shot.
Then, there was a second of "WTF? Who does that Iraqi guy think he is throwing something at a US president?" but that was short-lived.
Then there's the idea that that sort is a good expression of how Iraqis should feel.
I think what I'm going to wind up taking away from this is really two things though.
First, I have to admit that I'm VERY impressed that Bush A) had the wherewithal and reflexes to totally duck both shoes and B) that he didn't hit the deck like a total wuss, screaming like a little girl. That second point I find most surprising.
The Second point, very concerning, is that the guy was able to get one shoe off and throw it right at Bush in the first place; then, scariest of all, is that he was able to get a second shoe off and throw it as well before any secret service was even close to him.
My wife asked me if the shoes missed because of the Bushidiot's football experience I reminded her that he was a cheerleader in college. A football player would have caught the shoes. A wussy cheerleader ducks.
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How come the guys still breathing?
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Does Bush get to keep the shoes?
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Why not? We paid for them.
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How come the guys still breathing?
Because the rest of the Iraqis in the room hate the Bushidiot just as much , but were more chicken than the shoe thrower.
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I reminded her that he was a cheerleader in college. A football player would have caught the shoes. A wussy cheerleader ducks.
Glad you "reminded" her of incorrect information. But that's about par for the course.
And he played baseball in high school - and they are also trained to duck when the ball is thrown at them and they don't have a glove on.
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kind of ironic...if the guy throwing the shoe had done
that to Saddam he probably would be dead or imprisoned
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I reminded her that he was a cheerleader in college. A football player would have caught the shoes. A wussy cheerleader ducks.
Glad you "reminded" her of incorrect information. But that's about par for the course.
And he played baseball in high school - and they are also trained to duck when the ball is thrown at them and they don't have a glove on.
The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth. We were talking about FOOTball. The Bushidiot did not play football in college. He was an cheerleader at Andover and those guys are usually wusses.
(http://www.infowars.com/images2/Bush/cheerleader.jpg)
He may have played baseball. I dint give a shit about that cause that is a wussy sport as well.
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How come the guys still breathing?
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So you think that throwing shoes should merit an instant death penalty.
Typical.
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The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth.
The truth is he was not a cheerleader in college, you said he was, therefore you were not telling the truth.
I don't think Ami was calling you a liar, I think he implied you were a dumbass, but i can't speak for him.
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Juniorbush WAS a cheerleader at Andover, a precollege richkids' school.
Was George W. Bush a cheerleader in high school?
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George W. Bush attended Phillip's Academy in Andover Massachusetts. At the time it was an all boys' high school, so the cheeleaders were boys, too. George Bush was one of those cheerleaders. He was a senior in 1963 and was head cheerleader.
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High school is not college.
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kind of ironic...if the guy throwing the shoe had done that to Saddam he probably would be dead or imprisoned
OUCH.......touche' CU4
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>>So you think that throwing shoes should merit an instant death penalty. Typical.<<
See if you can keep up here BO.
How did this guy get close enough to throw something at the president? How did he survived such a thing? Are the SS trained to kill a guy who does this, or what?
I'm sure you wish he had a bomb and would have killed the president. That would be more typical.
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The Second point, very concerning, is that the guy was able to get one shoe off and throw it right at Bush in the first place; then, scariest of all, is that he was able to get a second shoe off and throw it as well before any secret service was even close to him.
I've been thinking about that too. Where was the Secret Service? Would a guy bending down and taking off his shoes, at the very least, attract some attention? And then, if they were watching that you would think that they would have noticed him getting ready to pitch the shoe. And yet he managed to throw BOTH shoes. :-\
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The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth.
The truth is he was not a cheerleader in college, you said he was, therefore you were not telling the truth.
I don't think Ami was calling you a liar, I think he implied you were a dumbass, but i can't speak for him.
Good God! You are everybit as anal and shallow as Ami- Of course, for you, that is a promotion.
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How did this guy get close enough to throw something at the president?
The guy was a emember of the Iraqi press corps.
How did he survived such a thing?
You saw the tape. It is not hard to survive throwing a pair of shoes.
Are the SS trained to kill a guy who does this, or what?
No, apparently, they are not. This is fortunate.
Had they actually killed the shoe thrower, it would not have
been good for Iraqi relations.
I did not say Juniorbush was a cheerleader in college, but as a student he WAS a cheerleader. I do not see why this is such a major difference
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I did not say Juniorbush was a cheerleader in college,
I did not say you did.
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I reminded her that he was a cheerleader in college. A football player would have caught the shoes. A wussy cheerleader ducks.
Glad you "reminded" her of incorrect information. But that's about par for the course.
And he played baseball in high school - and they are also trained to duck when the ball is thrown at them and they don't have a glove on.
The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth. We were talking about FOOTball. The Bushidiot did not play football in college. He was an cheerleader at Andover and those guys are usually wusses.
If you're telling the truth then at which college was Bush a cheerleader? Andover is a high school.
As BT said in another thread - "liar".
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The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth.
The truth is he was not a cheerleader in college, you said he was, therefore you were not telling the truth.
I don't think Ami was calling you a liar, I think he implied you were a dumbass, but i can't speak for him.
I was calling him a dumbass initially. But since he came back and insisted he was not lying and then claimed a high school as evidence for something he said happened in college makes him a liar - now we know that Knutty KNEW he was a cheerleader in high school and intentionally mis-stated it as happening in college.
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The real liar is the one that accuses others of lying whwn they are telling the truth.
The truth is he was not a cheerleader in college, you said he was, therefore you were not telling the truth.
I don't think Ami was calling you a liar, I think he implied you were a dumbass, but i can't speak for him.
I was calling him a dumbass initially. But since he came back and insisted he was not lying and then claimed a high school as evidence for something he said happened in college makes him a liar - now we know that Knutty KNEW he was a cheerleader in high school and intentionally mis-stated it as happening in college.
Only an anal retentive idiot savant such as yourself would fixate on one word and miss the truth of the matter and then worsen that by calling someeone that told the essential truth a liar . I may or may not be mistaken about Bush cheerleading at Yale, but there are many that say he was.
Bush almost instinctively managed to always be in the center of the action, an ubiquitous, noisy presence at school events. He was the head football cheerleader his senior year, a member of his class rock-and-roll band, the Torqueys – not singing or playing an instrument but clapping – and organizer of the school's stickball league.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072799.htm (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072799.htm)
But for you to call me a liar because of one possible mistatement , makes you the worst liar of all. I was absolutely correct in the real point I was making which is that the Bushidiot did not play FOOTball in college , moron. I can admit a mistake and therefore can still learn Since you already think you know it al,l you cant.
Actually it looks more like you are the liar and dumbass than I.
and more to the point:
he 1916 cheerleaders — like many of their classmates — came from elite secondary schools such as Andover, Hotchkiss, St. Paul’s and others. In fact, George W. Bush ’68, his father George H.W. Bush ’48 and his grandfather Prescott Sheldon Bush ’16 were all members of the Yale Cheerleading Squad. In these ways, the early cheerleaders truly served as leaders of the Yale community in all aspects of their lives.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/23183 (http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/23183)
BTW I posted the pic from Andover because it was the goofiest looking one I could find of the goofball.
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BTW I posted the pic from Andover because it was the goofiest looking one I could find of the goofball.
Please post a pic of him cheerleading at Yale.
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I have no idea why this is of any importance to anyone.
I think the point was that Juniorbush was not a macho football player, but a sissy cheerleader.
Again. I don't think this matters to anyone.
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"I think the point was that Juniorbush was not a macho football player,
but a sissy cheerleader"
I bet that "sissy" could kick your ass!
(http://www.tocquevillian.com/media/CowboyBush.jpg)
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I did not say he was a sissy. I said that this was Knutey's point.
And publicity photos do not impress me. That's an old one. I have seen it many times.
The major feature of Juniorbush is not that he is a sissy but that he makes rotten decisions, chooses rotten advisers, and stubbornly insists on sticking to his dumb choices.
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BTW I posted the pic from Andover because it was the goofiest looking one I could find of the goofball.
Please post a pic of him cheerleading at Yale.
Who was your slave yesterday , Ani? I said I could be mistaken. When I was a silly child such as you my mother said I was so smart I was stupid. I didnt understand until I became an adult what that meant. I thought I already knew everything and was arrogant about it. As I matured I became a lot less smart and a lot less stupid because I realized that I didnt know everything. So grow up and learn something.
BTW - I found out he did play a form of football at Yale.
http://www.godeke.org/News/PhiAlumnus_GeorgeWBush.htm (http://www.godeke.org/News/PhiAlumnus_GeorgeWBush.htm)
I only mention it to prove you are a far bigger liar and dumbass than I .And you are doomed to stay that way.
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I said I could be mistaken.
And then went on to say that you weren't.
I thought I already knew everything and was arrogant about it. As I matured I became a lot less smart and a lot less stupid because I realized that I didnt know everything. So grow up and learn something.
Then I guess you went back in terms of maturity, because you do frequently insist you are correct on these forums, usually without a shred of evidence and a host of evidence to the contrary.
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I have no idea why this is of any importance to anyone.
It's not important. Knutty feels like he has to respond to my posts all the time (I pushed him into doing this by asking him not to respond to me at all). Therefore, my quick, few seconds of posts keep him occupied, and uses up his time so that he doesn't cause more havoc around here on numerous other threads.
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I said I could be mistaken.
And then went on to say that you weren't.
I thought I already knew everything and was arrogant about it. As I matured I became a lot less smart and a lot less stupid because I realized that I didnt know everything. So grow up and learn something.
Then I guess you went back in terms of maturity, because you do frequently insist you are correct on these forums, usually without a shred of evidence and a host of evidence to the contrary.
You are blind as well as stupid and arrogant. I admitted being wrong about his not playing football- Hellloooo!!!
I frequently say I am correct because I am frequently correct. You on the other hand are seldom right , but always certain and provide no evidence because you rarely post sources. I nearly always do in the form of URLS , but you must be too dumb to even double click.
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I have no idea why this is of any importance to anyone.
It's not important. Knutty feels like he has to respond to my posts all the time (I pushed him into doing this by asking him not to respond to me at all). Therefore, my quick, few seconds of posts keep him occupied, and uses up his time so that he doesn't cause more havoc around here on numerous other threads.
Please keep it up. I enjoy pointing out what an anal retentive lying sack of shit you are.
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I frequently say I am correct because I am frequently correct. You on the other hand are seldom right , but always certain and provide no evidence because you rarely post sources. I nearly always do in the form of URLS , but you must be too dumb to even double click.
When I make a claim, I back it up. When I ask you for YOUR sources, why should I put a link? Would you like me to create a page that asks the same question and link to it?
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Please keep it up. I enjoy pointing out what an anal retentive lying sack of shit you are.
Hmmm. You can do pretty much nothing but insult people. I have yet to see anything constructive or positive that you have posted.
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I frequently say I am correct because I am frequently correct. You on the other hand are seldom right , but always certain and provide no evidence because you rarely post sources. I nearly always do in the form of URLS , but you must be too dumb to even double click.
When I make a claim, I back it up. When I ask you for YOUR sources, why should I put a link? Would you like me to create a page that asks the same question and link to it?
Ami at his best:
(http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/head_up_ass.jpg)
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Please keep it up. I enjoy pointing out what an anal retentive lying sack of shit you are.
Hmmm. You can do pretty much nothing but insult people. I have yet to see anything constructive or positive that you have posted.
See above
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See above
Yes, I noticed that you proved my point.
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>>I've been thinking about that too. Where was the Secret Service? Would a guy bending down and taking off his shoes, at the very least, attract some attention? And then, if they were watching that you would think that they would have noticed him getting ready to pitch the shoe. And yet he managed to throw BOTH shoes.<<
Exactly my point. The media has been reporting on how difficult it is to get credentials for one of these things. The guy was a "journalist" which explains why he was there. I suppose they must have thought they had everything under control and didn't see any of these journalists as a possible threat.
I did enjoy watching W duck both attempts. He's by far the fitest president we've ever had.
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See above
Yes, I noticed that you proved my point.
Your welcome. I know how impossible for you to do that on your own with English being your second language and all.
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Your [sic] welcome. I know how impossible (it is) for you to do that on your own with English being your second language and all.
Yet another mistake from the great Knutty. English is my third language.
And it's interesting that English is your mother tongue, yet you cannot form correct sentences in it. Makes me question your claim to having gotten straight A's in college.
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Yet another mistake from the great Knutty. English is my third language.
What would your second language be? Italian? Slovenian? Plattdeutsch? Sweitzerdeutsch?
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Yet another mistake from the great Knutty. English is my third language.
What would your second language be? Italian? Slovenian? Plattdeutsch? Sweitzerdeutsch?
Uranian no doubt Him being from Uranus and all.
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What would your second language be? Italian? Slovenian? Plattdeutsch? Sweitzerdeutsch?
My parents spoke German at home. My second language was Spanish; I lived in Honduras when I was young, we moved there when I was only a few months old. I learned English when we moved back to the US. I then studied French in school after moving back to the US. I picked up a smattering of Greek and Italian along the way as well - there were lots of Greek and Italian families in my neighborhood in NJ.
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What would your second language be? Italian? Slovenian? Plattdeutsch? Sweitzerdeutsch?
My parents spoke German at home. My second language was Spanish; I lived in Honduras when I was young, we moved there when I was only a few months old. I learned English when we moved back to the US. I then studied French in school after moving back to the US. I picked up a smattering of Greek and Italian along the way as well - there were lots of Greek and Italian families in my neighborhood in NJ.
I am truly impressed that you speak so many languages , but greatly saddened that you have nothing of consequence to say in any of them.
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If someone speaks Plattdeutsch or Sweitzerdeutsch, are these considered separate languages from standard German? Apparently my Paraguayan friend Peter manages to make himself understood with the Mennonites in Loma Plata and Filadelfia, but I hae heard that Plattdeutsch was unintelligible to speakers of standard German.
Honduras is an interesting place to visit, but how does one make a living there?
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dard German.
Honduras is an interesting place to visit, but how does one make a living there?
Gunrunning?
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People aren't running guns in Honduras now, but there was a time that supposedly the Nicaraguans were running guns to the FMLN in El Salvador. I think Reagan had some trouble with running guns to the Contras in Nicaragua as well.
It was your tax dollars at work in the latter case.
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Iraqi who threw shoes at Bush admits it in court
By Wisam Mohammed, Reuters
Tue Dec 16, 2:40 PM EST
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081215/NEWS-US-IRAQ-BUSH-SHOES/print/ (http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081215/NEWS-US-IRAQ-BUSH-SHOES/print/)
An Iraqi journalist who has admitted hurling his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush appeared before a judge on Tuesday and confirmed his action, a judicial spokesman said.
TV reporter Muntazer al-Zaidi, who also called Bush a "dog" at a news conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on Sunday and became an instant sensation in the Arab world, faced charges of "aggression against a president," said Abdul Satar Birqadr, spokesman for Iraq's High Judicial Council.
Throwing shoes at someone is considered the ultimate insult in the Arab world and dogs are viewed as dirty and disgusting.
"Al-Zaidi was brought today before the investigating judge in the presence of a defense lawyer and a prosecutor," Birqadr said. "He admits the action he carried out."
The court decided to keep Zaidi in custody, and after the judge completes his investigation of the case may send him for trial under a clause in the Iraqi penal code that punishes anyone who attempts to murder Iraqi or foreign presidents.
Such a crime could result in imprisonment of seven to 15 years, Birqadr said.
Zaidi's brother said on Tuesday he was hit in the head with a rifle butt and had an arm broken in the chaos that broke out after he threw his shoes at Bush and was leapt on by Iraqi security officers and U.S. secret service agents.
He was in a hospital in the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad, his brother Maitham al-Zaidi said.
"All that we know is we were contacted yesterday by a person -- we know him -- and he told us that Muntazer was taken on Sunday to Ibn-Sina hospital," Maitham al-Zaidi said. "He was wounded in the head because he was hit by a rifle butt, and one of his arms was broken."
The brother declined to identify the source of the information and his comments could not be independently verified. Asked about the brother's remarks, various Iraqi officials denied having responsibility for the case.
Birqadr said he was not present during the hearing and so could not confirm whether Zaidi was injured.
He said Zaidi declined an offer to be defended before the court by a lawyer who represented former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein at his trial. Saddam was hanged in 2006.
ANGER
Zaidi's family says he harbored deep anger against Bush, blaming him for the tens of thousands of Iraqis who died after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion unleashed a wave of sectarian and insurgent violence that has only now begun to die down.
Bush, in return, had no hard feelings about the incident, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
"The president just thinks that, it was just a shoe, people express themselves in lots of different ways," she said.
Asked whether Bush believed the journalist should be punished, Perino replied:
"The president believes that Iraq is a sovereign country, a democratic country, and they will have a process that they follow on this. But, as I said, the president harbors no hard feelings about the incident."
Birqadr declined to identify the judge who presided over the initial investigatory hearing on Tuesday.
(Additional reporting by Aseel Kami, Ahmed Rasheed and Waleed Ibrahim, and Tabassum Zakaria in Washington; Writing by Michael Christie, editing by Michael Roddy)
© 2008 Thomson Reuters
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I am truly impressed that you speak so many languages , but greatly saddened that you have nothing of consequence to say in any of them.
What's even sadder is that you spent no time learning other languages, yet still have nothing of consequence to say in English.
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:D
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PIdWdw15U[/youtube]
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If someone speaks Plattdeutsch or Sweitzerdeutsch, are these considered separate languages from standard German? Apparently my Paraguayan friend Peter manages to make himself understood with the Mennonites in Loma Plata and Filadelfia, but I hae heard that Plattdeutsch was unintelligible to speakers of standard German.
They are officially considered dialects, but some native speakers consider them separate languages.
Honduras is an interesting place to visit, but how does one make a living there?
In my father's case, it was erecting embroidery machines, similar to this one (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11667209/Used_Schiffli_Embroidery_Machine.jpg) or this one (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11515851/Used_Schiffli_Multi_head_Embroidery_Machine.jpg).
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I am truly impressed that you speak so many languages , but greatly saddened that you have nothing of consequence to say in any of them.
What's even sadder is that you spent no time learning other languages, yet still have nothing of consequence to say in English.
Actually , I have studied French, and Italian. I must admit I am not good at them. I am still studying Spanish and might get good at that. You, however , will never get good at thinking critically and your cheerleaders wont help much either. They enable your anality.
Besides that , they think speaking alien languages is probly subversive.
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You, however , will never get good at thinking critically and your cheerleaders wont help much either. They enable your anality.
Insulting people is not "critical thinking" - perhaps you should learn what critical thinking means.