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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on June 06, 2007, 01:07:46 AM
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http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0501/p04s01-woeu.html?page=1
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Interesting. Is this justice or retribution or vengeance?
How similar is this to Nazi hunters still chasing Nazis after sixty years?
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In Germany therecords of the Stazi were opened to the public and thouands of people discovered that their neighbors and family members were snitching on them. There was an amazeingly pervaseive system of secret agents spying on their co-workers , neighbors and freinds.
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Is this justice or retribution or vengeance?
I'd call it retaliation.
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<<How similar is this to Nazi hunters still chasing Nazis after sixty years?>>
"I didn't kill anyone, I didn't deport anyone, I didn't commit genocide. . ." says Dziautas . . . >>
That answer your question?
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No, MT, I'm not saying chasing Nazis even after sixty years insn't justifiable, I m simply aksing if they are parallel?
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<<No, MT, I'm not saying chasing Nazis even after sixty years insn't justifiable, I m simply aksing if they are parallel?>>
Well, philosophically, Professor, I guess you're pointing out the competition in legitimate values between the need for a statute of limitations or its equivalent on the one hand and the need to see justice done on the other. I think both situations are in fact parallel in that they illustrate the clash between two legitimate values. The magnitude of the offence is obviously a big factor in determining how far to stretch the statute of limitations, I would think. You'd be kind of pissed off to receive a notice to appear in court on some overtime parking charge that goes back 23 years, but if the Cold Case Squad busted some guy for the murder of some high school girls that occurred thirty years ago, it probably wouldn't raise anyone's hackles, except maybe the perp's.
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There were members of the Natzi party that were not guilty of serious crime , lots of them . Even Officers in the military corps that were not worthy of prosicution , for a while there were some things that these people were not allowed to do , nd some of them were picked on by Allies more than was needed
but eventually things normalised and a lot of these people lived on with normal lives , one even becomeing the chairan f the U.N..
Communists were never eveyone , but there were a lot of them , it is probably necessacery to normalise them in society because they are too many to shun or exile permanantly.
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In the 70's and 80's being a member of the SED (in East Germany) or the CPSU was much more about climbing the social ladder than it was any real belief in Marxism, Stalinism, Leninsm, etc.
The stagnant eastern economies of the gave way to things like Intershop, Delikat, and other special advantages to being a member of the party. Also, it was much easier to become a member than it was before (and less dangerous after Stalin died!). So yeah, I think many of the late comers to the Communist parties probably did have a myopic picture of the party and it mostly centered on them.
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With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.
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With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.
I hope you live to see the nostalgia for President Bush that is certain to arise during the next Democratic administration.
these are the good ol' days.
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With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.
I hope you live to see the nostalgia for President Bush that is certain to arise during the next Democratic administration.
these are the good ol' days.
Yeah-for people who only care about corporate profits and tax cuts above all else.
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Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end. Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.
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Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end. Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.
You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?
You are certainly not includeing the effect on terrorism that the War on terror under Bush has had in comparison to previous presidents?
A booming economy is better for the poor than any government program has any potential to be , restricting economic growth is harsh on the poor .
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<<You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?>>
Fighting HIV in Africa but without condoms.
What was the increase anyway? Probably insignificant, given their total lack of concern in the first place.
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Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end. Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.
XO you are incorrect. Bush's veto of the stell cell bill was memorable and correct. Just yesterday, ground-breaking research was released where fetal stem cells will apparently no longer be needed. A true breakthrough!
As I have expressed many times in ths Forum, I emphatically disagreee with this entire Iraqi debacle (to the distain of Sirs...sorry, Sirs!), but Bush's stance on social issues is, IMHO, commendable. I jsut wish I could find an electable Democrat with this social issues stance. I would gladly work in his/her campaign for the Presidency.
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<<I jsut wish I could find an electable Democrat with this social issues stance. I would gladly work in his/her campaign for the Presidency.>>
Dennis Kucinich was probably your man. Anti-war but pro-life. However I might stand to be corrected, I'm not sure whether Kucinich is still sticking to his pro-life stance at this point.
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<<You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?>>
Fighting HIV in Africa but without condoms.
What was the increase anyway? Probably insignificant, given their total lack of concern in the first place.
You don't know , but do you care?
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Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end. Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.
You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?
You are certainly not includeing the effect on terrorism that the War on terror under Bush has had in comparison to previous presidents?
A booming economy is better for the poor than any government program has any potential to be , restricting economic growth is harsh on the poor .
The only one of these three items that can be seen as "good" is the HIV in Africa item and the Bushidiot fucked that up by doing it half-assedly like he does everything.
The war on terror was completely fucked up by attacking the wrong country and the economy is only booming for fatcats and large corporations.
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<<You don't know , but do you care?>>
Moew than your "President" does, for sure.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7371950/an_epidemic_failure/
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Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end. Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.
You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?
You are certainly not includeing the effect on terrorism that the War on terror under Bush has had in comparison to previous presidents?
A booming economy is better for the poor than any government program has any potential to be , restricting economic growth is harsh on the poor .
The only one of these three items that can be seen as "good" is the HIV in Africa item and the Bushidiot fucked that up by doing it half-assedly like he does everything.
The war on terror was completely fucked up by attacking the wrong country and the economy is only booming for fatcats and large corporations.
The war on terror has a problem with being too successfull ,if the Al Queda had been able to strike the US more often there would be a lot less complaining bout fighting them .
The Presidents throing money at the Aids problem is cerainl not gong to be enough to fix the problem, we probly can't fixthe problem, but where is he criticism for previous administrations even smaller efforts?