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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 01:36:59 AM »
Interesting. Is this justice or retribution or vengeance?

How similar is this to Nazi hunters still chasing Nazis after sixty years?
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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 01:46:30 AM »
     In Germany therecords of the Stazi were opened to the public and thouands of people discovered that their neighbors and family members were snitching on them. There was an amazeingly pervaseive system of secret agents spying on their co-workers , neighbors and freinds.

     


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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 07:04:22 AM »
Is this justice or retribution or vengeance?

I'd call it retaliation.
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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2007, 11:39:32 AM »

<<How similar is this to Nazi hunters still chasing Nazis after sixty years?>>


"I didn't kill anyone, I didn't deport anyone, I didn't commit genocide. .  ." says Dziautas . . . >>

That answer your question?

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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2007, 12:16:12 AM »
No, MT, I'm not saying chasing Nazis even after sixty years insn't justifiable, I m simply aksing if they are parallel?
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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2007, 12:43:25 AM »
<<No, MT, I'm not saying chasing Nazis even after sixty years insn't justifiable, I m simply aksing if they are parallel?>>

Well, philosophically, Professor, I guess you're pointing out the competition in legitimate values between the need for a statute of limitations or its equivalent on the one hand and the need to see justice done on the other.  I think both situations are in fact parallel in that they  illustrate the clash between two legitimate values.  The magnitude of the offence is obviously a big factor in determining how far to stretch the statute of limitations, I would think.  You'd be kind of pissed off to receive a notice to appear in court on some overtime parking charge that goes back 23 years, but if the Cold Case Squad busted some guy for the murder of some high school girls that occurred thirty years ago, it probably wouldn't raise anyone's hackles, except maybe the perp's.

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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2007, 02:31:09 AM »
There were members of the Natzi party that were not guilty of serious crime , lots of them . Even Officers in the military corps that were not worthy of prosicution , for a while there were some things that these people were not allowed to do , nd some of them were picked on by Allies more than was needed
but eventually things normalised and a lot of these people lived on with normal lives , one even becomeing the chairan f the U.N..

Communists were never eveyone , but there were a lot of them , it is probably necessacery to normalise them in society because they are too many to shun or exile permanantly.

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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2007, 10:56:50 AM »
In the 70's and 80's being a member of the SED (in East Germany) or the CPSU was much more about climbing the social ladder than it was any real belief in Marxism, Stalinism, Leninsm, etc.

The stagnant eastern economies of the gave way to things like Intershop, Delikat, and other special advantages to being a member of the party. Also, it was much easier to become a member than it was before (and less dangerous after Stalin died!). So yeah, I think many of the late comers to the Communist parties probably did have a myopic picture of the party and it mostly centered on them.
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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2007, 11:55:50 AM »
With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2007, 12:35:12 PM »
With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.


I hope you live to see the nostalgia for President Bush that is certain to arise during the next Democratic administration.

these are the good ol' days.

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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2007, 12:38:10 PM »
With any luck for US , this is what will happen to today's Bushidolators.


I hope you live to see the nostalgia for President Bush that is certain to arise during the next Democratic administration.

these are the good ol' days.

Yeah-for people who only care about corporate profits and tax cuts above all else.

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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2007, 12:46:06 PM »
Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end.  Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.

 
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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2007, 12:56:13 PM »
Juniorbush and Cheney have done NOTHING to be nostalgic about, unless you are a Scrooge Mc Duck type, lamenting the days when your money pool was all deep end.  Everything major thing they have done has been unnecessary, poorly done, and/or riddled with corruption and fraud.

 


You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?

You are certainly not includeing the effect on terrorism that the War on terror under Bush has had in comparison to previous presidents?


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Re: Are you ,or have you ever been, a member of the
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2007, 01:09:29 PM »
<<You are including the increases in aid Africa to fight HIV?>>

Fighting HIV in Africa but without condoms. 

What was the increase anyway?  Probably insignificant, given their total lack of concern in the first place.