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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on October 11, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
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http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/davis-ad-abbott-got-millions-in-tree-limb-case-then-resists-other-victims-suits.html/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lush7TZB860
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http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/aug/08/wendy-davis/wendy-davis-claim-about-hiring-salesman-rapist-lac/
This advertisement by the Wendy Davis team does level several criticisms against Greg Abbott that are barely fair , this is just typical politics.
The unsaid but kinda strongly implied "Don't vote for a cripple" message is the worst part.
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Sounds like Greg Abbot is a bit of a hypocrite, doesn't it?
Sirs hates hypocrites. Will he hate Greg Abbot as well?
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I do not think he is.
As a cripple should he judge in favor of every cripple that comes to his bench with a complaint?
That is all that would be required to avoid your accusation (and Wendy's) of hypocrisy.
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Since you do not know the actual cases, I hardly think you can say that this guy is pure as the driven snow.
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True , I wouldn't expect him to be perfection.
I don't totally agree with his opinion in the Kirby case , a company that hires another company just to slough the load of responsibility onto them is a bad thing to encourage. I would have made the responsibility shared between Kirby and the sub contractor , if Kirby couldn't investigate the background of the salesman , they still had responsibility to hire a subcontractor who really could.
So the extreme negativity of the Ad is justified?
I think the emphasis on the wheelchair is over the top and crass, might even cause blowback.
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I suppose time will tell. But this ad is not a fraction as crappy as the crap that Rick Scott is spewing about Charlie Crist.
I am not a great Crist fan, but Rick Scott has GOT to go. He is horrible.
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Crist does bear some blame for what happened in the scheme, says Chuck Malkus, a Fort Lauderdale public-relations consultant and author of a book about the Rothstein scheme called “The Ultimate Ponzi.”
Malkus points out that the scheme started when Crist was Florida Attorney General, the state’s top prosecutor post. The crime, unbeknownst to the public, continued when Crist became governor in 2007.
Crist then gave Rothstein the veneer of legitimacy by tapping him for a post on a West Palm Beach-based Judicial Nominating Commission, which is in charge of recommending judges to fill vacancies.
Malkus said he couldn’t understand the strategy of the Scott campaign.
On one hand, making disputable and inflammatory statements – especially through an anonymous spokesman – can provoke more media coverage and give the ad a higher profile. But then, Malkus said, that could lead people to distrust Scott and his campaign.
“It causes more questions,” Malkus said. “They could just stick to the facts. There’s no need for exaggeration.”
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article2144947.html#storylink=cpy
That was interesting.
So even when the truth is pretty advantageous , weasels are prone to juice it up?
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The Miami Herald has labelled this libelous ad "Pants On Fire"
Scott tried to prevent thousands of Floridians from voting in 2012. I was one of them.
If someone were to shoot the SOB, I would not grieve. He is rotten to thw core, Pure Fooking EVIL!
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The Miami Herald has labelled this libelous ad "Pants On Fire"
Scott tried to prevent thousands of Floridians from voting in 2012. I was one of them.
If someone were to shoot the SOB, I would not grieve. He is rotten to thw core, Pure Fooking EVIL!
I haven't heard this , what did he do?
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He cut funds for education all around. He suppressed voter turnout, he cut taxes on corporations and ended the plan to save the Everglades.
Presently, he has his supposedly blind trust invested in companies that will benefit if they start drilling off the coast
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How was he able to suppress voter turnout?
I have heard this other places stated as fact , but.....
I am skeptical.
If the Trusts are truly blind , he shouldn't really even know where they are investing, but at least not control them.
I have heard that one way to make a small fortune is to put a large fortune into blind trust.
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You pay no attention to anything I post.
As I said, Scott cut the hours for early voting by half. Some early voting sites that had been previously used were closed.
I have N E V E R had to wait more than 15 minutes to vote in 37 years that I have lived in Florida, EXCEPT when that asshole Scott deliberately closed the polling places and cut their hours. It was intentional, and there are recordings to prove that it was intentional.
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Sounds like Greg Abbot is a bit of a hypocrite, doesn't it?
Sirs hates hypocrites. Will he hate Greg Abbot as well?
Why would I? You'd have to explain how, right after how you explain the change of subject, from the point being made by Plane, and echoed by nearly every organization, including leftist groups, like Mother Goose
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Waiting an hour to vote in Georgia used to be very common, the early vote is very convenient.
But it is expensive, why shouldn't I prefer to have that money spent on road maintenance or something ?
What is the benefit of having people who really don't care very much , or know very much do more voting?
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I think it to be luxury to vote so fast. I've routinely had to wait over an hour before myself. Should I be blaming the Dem controlled legislature in try to suppress my vote? :o
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I have no idea.
I know that before Scott, voting was easy. He deliberately made it hard.
I hope he loses, he has been a shitty governor, and he will try to get drilling rigs along the coasts for his own personal profit. He was a thief when he ran an insurance company, and he is still a thief.
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I know that voting has routinely had long lines & long waits, thus the ever frequent reference to decreased voter turn-out. Per your parameters, I must assume that since Demoncrats have been in control of the legislature for such a long time, they must be trying to suppress my vote. Right?
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It has long been a plank of the Democratic platform to encourage greater turnout , not of better prepared voters , but of less prepared voters.
This entirely reverses the Democrats earlier "Jim Crow" policy of suppressing minority votes with impossible tests and silly requirements.
Thus proving that a reversal of evil can also be pretty bad.
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There is no way that a political campaign will waste time on actually informing the voters as the system is currently designed.
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So.....when unable to defend the indefensible.....claim everyone does it? :o
While I can agree that many a political ad is left to really brief sound bytes, to portray the maximum amount of emotionally laden info to the most rudimentary of the electorate, the issue here has been 2 fold, the horrid, almost universally condemned ad by Davis, that you seem to be trying to defend, and the tangential lack of any proof of some illicit suppressing the vote in Florida, when lines are long all over the country, including this, one of the bluest states in the country
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What the eff are you jabbering about?
Campaign ads all suck. Only idiots pay any attention to them.
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What the eff are you jabbering about?
Answered that already....the horrid, almost universally condemned ad by Davis, that you seem to be trying to defend, and the tangential lack of any proof of some illicit suppressing the vote in Florida, when lines are long all over the country, including this, one of the bluest states in the country
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Voter lines have N E V E R been long here, where I have voted for nearly 40 years in each and every election.
There are recordings of Scott PLANNING to prevent voting with his cronies.
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Good for you. They've ALWAYS been long here
Link these alledged recordings please. Or I can cop the same meritless accusation, and claim there are recordings of various Calif Democrat legislators planning on preventing voting with their cronies
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There is no way that a political campaign will waste time on actually informing the voters as the system is currently designed.
Too true.
Generally it has always been true.
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It is like teaching auto salesmen about the cars they sell. They generally do not know squat, but they have memorized a shpiel, and that is all most people who buy new cars need. People who buy used cars know more about fixing cars because they have experience at it.
Politicians care about getting votes and raising money. I get three separate pleas from money from Wendy Davis every day. We are on top, keep the money coming. Disaster looms unless you send us money. We will match every dollar you send. Blah blah blah. I hope she wins, but really, I do not live in Texas. There are millions of Texas who do.
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So.....just your say so on those alleged recordings, which would provide context to anything he said? And no, I'm not going to look it up for you. Its your bogus claim, not mine
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It is like teaching auto salesmen about the cars they sell. They generally do not know squat, but they have memorized a shpiel, and that is all most people who buy new cars need. People who buy used cars know more about fixing cars because they have experience at it.
Politicians care about getting votes and raising money. I get three separate pleas from money from Wendy Davis every day. We are on top, keep the money coming. Disaster looms unless you send us money. We will match every dollar you send. Blah blah blah. I hope she wins, but really, I do not live in Texas. There are millions of Texas who do.
HAhahahahaahaaa!
That is very good.
Apt even.
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So.....just your say so on those alleged recordings, which would provide context to anything he said? And no, I'm not going to look it up for you. Its your bogus claim, not mine
Aaagh ,... don't try to understand Florida, if you don't have to live there it is not worth the mental energy.
The antipathy for both candidates reflects, in part, the deepening malaise among voters around the country. But it is also a reaction to a bitter campaign awash in negative advertisements, outside groups with political agendas and seemingly bottomless reservoirs of cash.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/us/a-florida-race-strains-wallets-and-allegiances.html?_r=0
how Scott and Crist plan to win this race that, from what we’ve seen based on polls, is winnable by either.
Low turnout is planned. It means easier manipulation of who votes. And both campaigns know who THEIR voters are.
Scott is aware that historically, in mid term elections, more republicans vote than democrats. Don’t ask me why, but it’s fact. He is counting on history to repeat itself.
Also, Scott knows that in a low turnout election money plays an even more important role. That is why the governor spent more than $75 million of his own money to assure his razor-thin win in 2010, and he has said he is willing to do it again. An endless supply of money is what the Crist campaign fears most when it comes to Scott.
From the start I’ve also considered the chance of a Crist victory based on turnout. And it looks like it’s how his camp has organized his road to a possible victory. It’s just that it’s not exactly how I envisioned it. Crist is depending on a low turnout vote. The trick is to bring out more of his voters than Scott’s – in spite of Gov. Scott’s unending cash flow.
Crist, a former republican, seems to have taken a page out of the Karl Rove playbook. Remember Rove? He who made wedge issues in campaigns a pathway to victory…
It is not by coincidence that Amendment 2 is on the ballot in November. The amendment...
http://progresoweekly.us/florida-low-turnout-may-path-victory/
....... Scott's first, combustible legislative session has already been enormous. Here, New Times takes stock of his dirtiest accomplishments.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-07-14/news/rick-scott-s-dirtiest-deeds/
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/cnn-poll-shows-scott-crist-tied-at-44/2202031
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist
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Private prisons are a really, really bad idea, They should all be shut down and taken over by the State.
Scott wants to run Florida like a corporation. HIS Corporation.
I do not want to live in Rick Scott's corporation.
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I don't want to live in Jerry Brown's Union either. Shall we swap homes?
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I prefer to throw Scott out of office.
Swapping homes would be a great deal for me. California real estate is a lot more expensive.
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I prefer to throw Brown out of office. Let's start working out the #'s.....equal value of course