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It seems like a simple question. Who made the decision to charge Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the accused terrorist arrested for trying to blow up a Northwest Airlines jet on Christmas Day, as an everyday criminal, as opposed to an enemy combatant?

After all, Abdulmutallab was
- trained by al-Qaida,
- equipped with an al-Qaida-made bomb,
- and dispatched by al-Qaida to bring down the airliner and its 278 passengers.


Even though the Obama administration has mostly abandoned the term "war on terror," the president himself has said clearly that the United States is at war with al-Qaida. So who decided to treat Abdulmutallab as a civilian, read him the Miranda warning, and provide him with a government-paid lawyer -- giving him the right to remain silent and denying the United States potentially valuable intelligence that might have been gained by a military-style interrogation?

Recently that simple question -- who? -- became more complicated after several of the administration's top anti-terrorism officials testified on Capitol Hill.
- The director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Michael Leiter, said he wasn't consulted before the decision was made.
- The Director of National Intelligence Director, Dennis Blair, said he wasn't consulted, either.
- The Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, said she wasn't consulted.
- And the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, said he wasn't consulted.

So how did it happen? We know from a new Associated Press report that after Abdulmutallab was taken into custody, he was questioned for all of 50 minutes -- yes, less than one hour -- before going into surgery for treatment of the burns he suffered trying to blow up the plane. While Abdulmutallab was in surgery, the Justice Department in Washington made the decision to read Abdulmutallab the Miranda warning and provide him with a court-appointed lawyer.

And that was that. "Isn't it a fact, that after Miranda was given ... the individual stopped talking?" Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions asked Mueller.

"He did," Mueller answered. But Mueller declined to say who made the decision to grant Abdulmutallab the right to remain silent.

The issue is enormously important because Abdulmutallab, newly trained by al-Qaida in the terrorist group's latest hot spot, Yemen, likely knows things that would be useful to American anti-terrorism investigators. He's not some grizzled old terrorist who has been sitting in Guantanamo Bay since 2003 and doesn't have any new intelligence. He's fresh material. Yet he is protected by U.S. criminal law from having to answer questions.

Why? Republicans on the Judiciary Committee increasingly believe there is only one person who can answer: Attorney General Eric Holder.

It was Holder who made the decision to try 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a criminal trial in New York.
It is Holder who has expressed his desire to grant full American constitutional rights to foreign terrorists.
It is Holder who is leading the administration's sputtering effort to move some Guantanamo inmates to the United States.
And it is Holder who is apparently cutting other parts of the government out of crucial terrorism decisions such as the treatment of Abdulmutallab.

"These days, all roads lead to the attorney general," says one well-placed Republican source in the Senate. "They seem to have aggregated quite a bit of power inside Main Justice." The problem is, the Holder Justice Department appears to be handling terrorism issues from a defense-attorney perspective, and doing so without the input of the government's other terrorism-fighting agencies.

That was the message of that rather stunning testimony from Blair, Leiter, Napolitano and Mueller, all of whom were out of the loop on the Adbulmutallab decision. Their accounts left a number of Republican senators shaken; as the GOP lawmakers see it, the decision to read Abdulmutallab Miranda rights -- after just 50 minutes of questioning -- was a dreadful mistake, one that could have serious consequences down the line. There should be some accountability.

So on Jan. 21, all seven Republicans on the Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Holder asking for a full explanation: Who made the decision and why, and whether the administration now has "a protocol or policy in place for handling al-Qaida terrorists captured in the United States."

Republicans were troubled by the decision even before Senate testimony showed that major administration figures knew nothing about it. Now the lawmakers want to know what happened, and they believe the only person who can tell them is Holder.


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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 03:48:22 PM »
Bush did it

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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 04:11:05 PM »
Tee's probably giving Holder a silent high five, so that the terrorist then had a right to remain silent
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 07:17:39 PM »
it is insanity...

this db is not a civilian any more than the AL-KiLL-Ya members Obama is targeting with drones

the AL-KiLL-Ya in Fort Hood and this Christmas Day AL-KiLL-Ya bomber should already be dead
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 07:58:37 PM »
The real disconnect is that we, as in America, as in the Obama administration, use drones and other MILITARY ordinance to target and KILL SUSPECTED terrorists, who haven't even done anything, just happened to have been located by some sort of recon.  No judge, no jury.

But here, IN America, the Obama administration grants full constitutional protections, to an obvious terrorist, who was in the act of trying to kill hundreds of civilians in the air, not to mention who would have been killed on the ground

THIS is one of the main reasons Brown won Mass.  He was able to highlight this asanine disconnect the current administration and his political party have with the rest of the rationally minded America.  If the rest of the GOP can streamline this message.........well, let's see if they're smart enough
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 11:47:49 PM »
Why do criminals have a right to remain silent?
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 12:12:58 AM »
Why do criminals have a right to remain silent?


I beleive it was hoped that a right to refuse to incriminate onsself  would prevent the practice of torture.

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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 12:21:52 AM »
Why do criminals have a right to remain silent?

Something along the lines of a constitutional right not to incriminate oneself
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2010, 12:34:59 AM »

Something along the lines of a constitutional right not to incriminate oneself


What does the Constitution say about that?
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 02:38:09 AM »
I believe it's bigger cousin to a "right to remain silent" is the 5th amendment.  Then again, I think you already knew that, so I'm curious as to why the inquiry
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 05:47:31 PM »

I believe it's bigger cousin to a "right to remain silent" is the 5th amendment.  Then again, I think you already knew that, so I'm curious as to why the inquiry


I'm making a point. What does the Fifth Amendment say?
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 06:26:55 PM »
I think we all know what the 5th amendment of the Constitution says.  And I think I already asked as to what your point is supposed to be
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 01:06:11 AM »

I think we all know what the 5th amendment of the Constitution says.

Do we? I know I do not have it memorized. But let's look at it.
         No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Hm. "No person".
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 01:07:25 AM »
Yea......and?  Still missing the point there, Prince
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Re: Who decided Abdulmutallab was to be treated as a simple civilian?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 01:07:33 AM »

I beleive it was hoped that a right to refuse to incriminate onsself  would prevent the practice of torture.


Oh? Why would that be a concern?
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