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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2008, 01:19:17 AM »
Right now we are focusing on Obama. You claim he is just another politician, as you defend his blathering to the masses, yet that certainly isn't how he has marketed himself, so far.

And we have already debunked the notion that McCain grew up rich. We have already debunked your statement that McCain attended a college other than Annapolis, We are examining your undocumented claims that McCain was an unsatisfactory high school student unworthy of his appointment to Annapolis, we have called into serious doubt whether McCain ever called his wife a c**t and trollop. And just so you know Jim Hensley, Cindy's father, leveraged every penny he had to gather the 10k necessary to buy his distributorship.the year after she was born.  Cindy wasn't born into wealth, his father earned it as she grew up. He was also a WWII veteran and recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, injured in the line of duty.


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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2008, 01:30:56 AM »
Oh, yeah, one other thing about McCain and schools.

He was born in 1936. Graduated from high school in 1954 (18 years of age). Graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958 (22 years of age). So, to have gone to a 4 year college, then spend 4 years in the Naval Academy, and do it all in 4 years, he must be some kind of genius.
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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2008, 01:32:39 AM »
And also, from Wikipedia:

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The United States Naval Academy is an undergraduate college in Annapolis, Maryland, United States, that educates and commissions officers of the United States Navy and Marine Corps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Academy

Why would an undergraduate school accept graduate students?
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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2008, 01:55:33 AM »
<<Right now we are focusing on Obama. You claim he is just another politician, as you defend his blathering to the masses, yet that certainly isn't how he has marketed himself, so far.>>

So what?  McCain marketed himself as a "maverick" when he's obviously a long-serving Beltway insider and as the "Straight Talker" when he's flipped on everything from torture to the religious right.

<<And we have already debunked the notion that McCain grew up rich. >>

You have done no such thing.  He's a descendant of slave-owning planters and two admirals who went to a private Episcopal high school and the issue wasn't growing up rich (which he certainly did, as an admiral's son) but growing up as a member of the elite.

<<We have already debunked your statement that McCain attended a college other than Annapolis>>

A side issue although apparently an error.  Of little or no significance.  Actually, the net effect of my "error" is to demonstrate that McCain is even less educated than I initially gave him credit for.

<<We are examining your undocumented claims that McCain was an unsatisfactory high school student unworthy of his appointment to Annapolis . . .>>

The claim, if you can keep it straight for the next thirty seconds, which I seriously doubt, was that family connections and not grades were what got him into Annapolis.

<< . . .  we have called into serious doubt whether McCain ever called his wife a c**t and trollop. >>

"Calling into serious doubt"  apparently meaning that you can show it came from a Democrat.

<<And just so you know Jim Hensley, Cindy's father, leveraged every penny he had to gather the 10k necessary to buy his distributorship.the year after she was born.  Cindy wasn't born into wealth, his father earned it as she grew up. He was also a WWII veteran and recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, injured in the line of duty.>>

Well, just so YOU know, he was obviously another fucking crook just like his son-in-law, as this excerpt from Wikipedia makes crystal clear:

<<Following his discharge in 1945, Hensley and his brother went back to work for Marley in his United Sales Company in Phoenix and United Distributors in Tucson.[4][5] In 1948, both brothers were prosecuted by the federal government and convicted of falsifying liquor records to conceal illegal distribution of whiskey against post-war rationing regulations.[11][7] Jim Hensley received a six-month suspended sentence while his brother received a year in federal prison.[11] In 1953, Jim Hensley and Marley were charged by federal prosecutors with falsifying liquor records.[11] Defended by future Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist, they were acquitted.[11][7]

<<In December 1952,[5] the Hensley brothers bought into the Ruidoso Downs racetrack in New Mexico, with Eugene running it and Jim returning to Phoenix.[4] In a May 1953 hearing before the New Mexico State Racing Commission, the Hensley brothers concealed the existence an equal partner, Clarence "Teak" Baldwin, who had been banned from any ownership role due to illegal bookmaking activities.[12] A 1953 New Mexico State Police investigation found further that Kemper Marley was a financial backer for bookmakers and had connections with Baldwin and with the bookmaking operations of organized crime,[12] a conclusion echoed decades later by the Arizona Project investigative reporting team.[13] >> 

The article goes on to demonstrate that the year before Cindy's birth the two crooks (her father and uncle) had enough money to pay for a defence by William Rehnquist against Federal prosecution, so it doesn't sound to me like Cindy was growing up in any tarpaper shack on the wrong side of the tracks.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2008, 02:47:23 AM »
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The article goes on to demonstrate that the year before Cindy's birth the two crooks (her father and uncle) had enough money to pay for a defence by William Rehnquist against Federal prosecution, so it doesn't sound to me like Cindy was growing up in any tarpaper shack on the wrong side of the tracks.

What were Rehnquists rates in 53? What would make him more expensive than any other defense attorney? He had just moved back to Phoenix and opened his own practice. Besides the business most probably paid the fees.


We ever find out who paid Obama's way from Hawaii to Occidental and then on to Columbia?






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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2008, 02:52:27 AM »
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"Calling into serious doubt"  apparently meaning that you can show it came from a Democrat.

No it means that Schecter was a sole source slurrer. No corroboration from normal people with names and a book deal in the works. In other words, Schecter was a paid hit man with a lot to gain.

Remember he didn't shop publishers, a publisher shopped him.


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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2008, 05:19:09 AM »
<<We ever find out who paid Obama's way from Hawaii to Occidental and then on to Columbia?>>

George Soros?

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2008, 05:21:50 AM »
The reason I tend to believe Schecter is that nobody's sued him for libel - - they know he could subpoena in the eyewitnesses and the whole thing would backfire on McCain and on Cindy too, if she were minded to perjure herself to protect the louse.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2008, 08:01:30 AM »
You believe it because you want to believe it.

Even so, by your logic, the video CU posted about Obama must be true to because he didn't sue the guy either.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2008, 08:26:56 AM »
<<Even so, by your logic, the video CU posted about Obama must be true to because he didn't sue the guy either. >>

Are you kidding?  The guy who claims he sucked off Obama ain't got a pot to pee in.  That's why he was picked for the video.  Nobody would sue him, they'd get bad publicity and no pay-off at the end.  Even if they win they lose.

Schecter would be ruined if McCain sued him and won.  He's got a reputation to lose and probably some assets as well.  He's got a lot more to fear from a lawsuit than that guy in the Republican commercial.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2008, 09:27:49 AM »
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He's got a lot more to fear from a lawsuit than that guy in the Republican commercial.

Source? What evidence whatsoever do you have that that was a republican commercial? Since it came out in the primaries it could be Hillary's.

Then again it could be just some guy with a video cam and a youtube account.

I doubt Schecter has a whole lot of assets either. He's a Olbermann clone without the job. He's a guest blogger, what's that pay? And don't you think filing suit would bring life to the lie? Why is it a bad idea for McCain not to sue but brilliant strategy for Obama not to.

Mikey your responses are getting weaker and weaker by the day.







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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2008, 08:05:21 PM »
<<Source? What evidence whatsoever do you have that that was a republican commercial? Since it came out in the primaries it could be Hillary's.>>

I just saw it here for the first time.  Besides, it's more in the Republicans' style.  They have no lower limit.  I thought they'd hit bottom with the Swift Boat campaign, but this one's in the same vein only lower still.

<<Then again it could be just some guy with a video cam and a youtube account.>>

This guy isn't gonna smear Obama and vote Obama, he's gonna smear Obama and vote McCain.  That's how it usually works.

<<I doubt Schecter has a whole lot of assets either. He's a Olbermann clone without the job. He's a guest blogger, what's that pay? >>

He's got a BOOK DEAL.  And aren't you sucking and blowing at the same time?  He's lying to make a killing selling his book but McCain can't sue him cuz he ain't got no money.  Gotta get your stories straight, BT.  You can't get onto the uptown and the downtown trains at the same time.

<<And don't you think filing suit would bring life to the lie? Why is it a bad idea for McCain not to sue but brilliant strategy for Obama not to.>>

That's easy - - McCain could sue and collect if the story were false.  If Schectman lied for gain, the gain is uncertain (since it could all be whisked away in a successful lawsuit) and at the same time, his reputation is irreparably trashed.  He's lied for nothing.  So the idea of Schectman making up a big lie for money is inherently improbable.  Furthermore, there are witnesses who could be subpoena'd in a lawsuit.  McCain knows what they'll say.  THEY have no motive to lie.  Schectman is a real sitting duck if he's lying - - all McCain has to do is haul him into court, challenge him to name his sources and if Schectman clams up, game over.  If he names the eyewitnesses, game over.  Still McCain won't move.  It's a no-brainer.  He won't shoot a sitting duck because he knows (a) it happened (b) there are witnesses and (c) they'll back Schecter.  So he lets it go.

Obama OTOH could never recover against the yoyo in the video because he obviously has no assets.  Also according to the yoyo's story there were no witnesses.    What if Obama can't prove it's a lie?  Loses the case, which looks a lot worse.  The Republican spin wouldn't be that Obama lost but that the guy WON.

<<Mikey your responses are getting weaker and weaker by the day. >>

On the contrary, BT, it's your inability to follow logic to its inevitable conclusion that is growing weaker by the day.  Sorry 'bout that.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2008, 08:53:14 PM »
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That's easy - - McCain could sue and collect if the story were false.  If Schectman lied for gain, the gain is uncertain (since it could all be whisked away in a successful lawsuit) and at the same time, his reputation is irreparably trashed.  He's lied for nothing.  So the idea of Schectman making up a big lie for money is inherently improbable.  Furthermore, there are witnesses who could be subpoena'd in a lawsuit.  McCain knows what they'll say.  THEY have no motive to lie.  Schectman is a real sitting duck if he's lying - - all McCain has to do is haul him into court, challenge him to name his sources and if Schectman clams up, game over.  If he names the eyewitnesses, game over.  Still McCain won't move.  It's a no-brainer.  He won't shoot a sitting duck because he knows (a) it happened (b) there are witnesses and (c) they'll back Schecter.  So he lets it go.

I doubt a reporter would be required to reveal his sources in a civil case. !st amendment. McCain is a public figure. He's fair game.

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Also according to the yoyo's story there were no witnesses.

Perhaps you should watch the video again. the guy said he met Obama at a fancy bar. All he has to do is have a witness put Obama and this guy in the same place at the same time. BTW the video was added to You tube  March 04, 2008. Easily could have been a Hillary supporter.




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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2008, 12:20:43 AM »
<<I doubt a reporter would be required to reveal his sources in a civil case. !st amendment. McCain is a public figure. He's fair game.>>

Geeze, now Schecter's a journalist again.  You change colours faster than a chameleon.  When I talked about Schecter putting his journalistic reputation at risk, your response was that he wasn't a journalist, but a political operative.  Now he's a journalist again.  Better make up your mind once and for all, my head is spinning trying to keep up with your flip-flops.

As I understand privilege and confidentialty, in Canada at least, they are confined to the recognized and traditional roles of solicitor-client and doctor-patient.  Maybe (I'm not sure about this) when a guy makes a confession to a priest, but I don't believe this is recognized in English or Canadian law.  Journalists definitely have no privilege.  They must reveal sources.  I'd bet it's the same in the U.S.  Judith Miller went to jail didn't she?

<<Perhaps you should watch the video again. the guy said he met Obama at a fancy bar. All he has to do is have a witness put Obama and this guy in the same place at the same time.>>

Ludicrous - - lotsa people meet in fancy bars.  They don't all wind up blowing each other in limos.  Simple fact is, Obama's accuser has no witnesses, Schecter has two.

<< BTW the video was added to You tube  March 04, 2008. Easily could have been a Hillary supporter.>>

Nah.  Not Hillary's style.  Not her supporters' style either.  This one has GOP written all over it.

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Re: How Many Homes Does John Kerry Own?
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2008, 12:38:04 AM »
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Judith Miller went to jail didn't she?

She went to jail for contempt. You noticed Novak didn't go to jail.

If someone saw Obama and this guy chatting at the bar what followed has added possibility.

BTW at about the same time there was supposedly a tape of Michelle on an anti-white rant. All this at te time the wheels were falling off Hillary's wagon.

Bloggers have been recognized by the courts as having journalistic privileges. Remember the Apple case? Apple sued because a blogger leaked info about an upcoming IPod release. Apple was plumbing what they thought was an internal leak. The judge sided with the blogger. I would think that protection would apply to guest bloggers. It didn't involve national security and neither did the McCain slur.