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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2008, 02:08:54 AM »
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You seem to hate people who simply want to officially acknowledge their love for one another. Why should they be denied this? What possible harm could it do to you?

Why does disagreeing with the use of the term "marriage"  in any civil contract Adam and Steve choose to officially acknowledge their relationship equate to hate?




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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2008, 02:10:54 AM »
So, let's compromise and work on the "whatever" vs insisting it be called marriage.  You game or are you intolerant?

Oh, just fine with me. Except fr the singular detail that there is very little we can do about this.  I am not of the opinion that either of us have the power or authority to enact or enforce legislation.

So, why do you vote??  Your single vote can do very little, so why vote?     ::)


You seem to hate people who simply want to officially acknowledge their love for one another. Why should they be denied this? What possible harm could it do to you?

And that would be some more examples of your hyperbolic misrepresentations.  Last I checked, I already gave my ok for it, it's called civil unions, or domestic partnerships, or whatever else you want to call it, so the LYING in claiming my denying it and hating gays is yours, and yours alone
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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2008, 02:26:34 AM »
>>Does intolerance include a Catholic priest refusing to allow Obama supporters to participate in communion?<<

Source?

It's quite true, Rich. I'll have to look it up again, but I read about it in detail, including interviews with the priest. More specifically, it isn't just about Obama, but voting for anyone who supports abortion to the extent that he does.

I think the action is questionable, and I'm trying to imagine how many people are going to be in the confessional for absolution for their voting choices. But from a very orthodox point of view, and strictly from the viewpoint of dogma alone, the priest has a point.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2008, 05:34:27 AM »
>>Does intolerance include a Catholic priest refusing to allow Obama supporters to participate in communion?<<

Source?

It's quite true, Rich. I'll have to look it up again, but I read about it in detail, including interviews with the priest. More specifically, it isn't just about Obama, but voting for anyone who supports abortion to the extent that he does.

I think the action is questionable, and I'm trying to imagine how many people are going to be in the confessional for absolution for their voting choices. But from a very orthodox point of view, and strictly from the viewpoint of dogma alone, the priest has a point.


I wonder if this is related to his vote against a measure that would have required doctors to save the life of a baby who survived an abortion?

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #109 on: November 17, 2008, 06:23:58 AM »
>>Does intolerance include a Catholic priest refusing to allow Obama supporters to participate in communion?<<

Source?

It's quite true, Rich. I'll have to look it up again, but I read about it in detail, including interviews with the priest. More specifically, it isn't just about Obama, but voting for anyone who supports abortion to the extent that he does.

I think the action is questionable, and I'm trying to imagine how many people are going to be in the confessional for absolution for their voting choices. But from a very orthodox point of view, and strictly from the viewpoint of dogma alone, the priest has a point.


I wonder if this is related to his vote against a measure that would have required doctors to save the life of a baby who survived an abortion?

Most definitely.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #110 on: November 17, 2008, 07:25:15 AM »
I believe that there was  either only one clinic in all of South Dakota still performing abortion or none at all.  They do this by requiring all women wishing an abortion to view an ultrasound, to listen to all the various alternatives to abortion, and to wait a specified number of days.

This site advertises three. I'm sure there are more that are not listed here.
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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #111 on: November 17, 2008, 10:17:44 AM »
>>COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) ? A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."<<

This priest is wrong, and I'm sure he's hearing about it from his Bishop. What the CHURCH actually said was politicians like Kennedy, Kerry and Biden should be denied the sacrament because of their support for abortion.  It said nothing about voting for Barry. Nothing intolerant there. If you want to call yourself a Catholic you should obey the rules, otherwise find a nice Protestant church or start  your own.

So one priest doesn't change the fact that the left is exceedingly intolerant. Much more so that the right.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #112 on: November 17, 2008, 10:31:19 AM »
>>I think the action is questionable, and I'm trying to imagine how many people are going to be in the confessional for absolution for their voting choices. But from a very orthodox point of view, and strictly from the viewpoint of dogma alone, the priest has a point.<<

Very questionable. As I said, one priest doesn't carry the wait of the Church. Father Flager is a perfect example.

It's really very simple. You don't see Conservatives assaulting liberal speakers on campuses. You don't see Conservatives outlawing certain kinds of speech or thoughts. You don't see Conservatives calling for the murder of Cindy Shemale like some radio host in San Fran did to Joe the Plumber.

The left is goose stepping it's way to a totalitarian state. They're stealling an election in Minnesota just like they did in Washington State. They attempting to overturn the will of the people in Californian, and you can be sure it won't stop there.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #113 on: November 17, 2008, 10:45:34 AM »
I believe that there was  either only one clinic in all of South Dakota still performing abortion or none at all.  They do this by requiring all women wishing an abortion to view an ultrasound, to listen to all the various alternatives to abortion, and to wait a specified number of days.

This site advertises three. I'm sure there are more that are not listed here.

Only one of these sights is in SD:

South Dakota Abortion Clinics   
   

Sioux Falls

Sioux Falls Clinic
6511 West 41st Street
Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57106
(605) 361-5100   

Missoula

Blue Mountain Clinic
610 N. California St
Missoula, Montana 59802
(800) 727-2546    (406) 721-1646   
www.BlueMountainClinic.org   Visit Mini Site


Wichita

Women's Health Care Services - Late Term Abortion
5107 East Kellogg
Wichita, Kansas 67218

Please look deeper than the superficial fact and try to grasp some underlying truth for a change.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #114 on: November 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM »
Sorry.

However, Planned Parenthood shows two abortion clinics in the state.

In addition, doctors can provide "morning after" pills in their office, and hospitals can also perform the procedure.
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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #115 on: November 17, 2008, 01:53:25 PM »
However, Planned Parenthood shows two abortion clinics in the state.

In addition, doctors can provide "morning after" pills in their office, and hospitals can also perform the procedure.


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The point was that states can make abortions a very difficult affiar if they want to, and this is what they have done in South Dakota. In addition to this, there was an amendment that would have ended abortion there proposed not long ago. I am not sure what happened to it.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #116 on: November 17, 2008, 02:32:45 PM »
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So one priest doesn't change the fact that the left is exceedingly intolerant. Much more so that the right.

I wasn't aware we were playing the left off against the right.
Here are a few more examples.

After Obama's win, white backlash festers in US
By Patrik Jonsson

In rural Georgia, a group of high-schoolers gets a visit from the Secret Service after posting "inappropriate" comments about President-elect Barack Obama on the Web. In Raleigh, N.C., four college students admit to spraying race-tinged graffiti in a pedestrian tunnel after the election. On Nov. 6, a cross burns on the lawn of a biracial couple in Apolacon Township, Pa.

The election of America's first black president has triggered more than 200 hate-related incidents, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center ? a record in modern presidential elections. Moreover, the white nationalist movement, bemoaning an election that confirmed voters' comfort with a multiracial demography, expects Mr. Obama's election to be a potent recruiting tool ? one that watchdog groups warn could give new impetus to a mostly defanged fringe element.

Most election-related threats have so far been little more than juvenile pranks. But the political marginalization of certain Southern whites, economic distress in rural areas, and a White House occupant who symbolizes a multiethnic United States could combine to produce a backlash against what some have heralded as the dawn of a postracial America. In some parts of the South, there's even talk of secession.

"Most of this movement is not violent, but there is a substantive underbelly that is violent and does try to make a bridge to people who feel disenfranchised," says Brian Levin of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. "The question is: Will this swirl become a tornado or just an ill wind? We're not there yet, but there's dust on the horizon, a swirling of wind, and the atmospherics are getting put together for [conflict]."

Though postelection racist incidents haven't posed any real danger to society or the president-elect, law enforcement is taking note.

"We're trying to be out there at the cutting edge of this and trying to stay ahead of groups that are emerging," says Special Agent Darrin Blackford, a spokesman for the Secret Service, which guards the US president.

"Anytime you start seeing [extremist propaganda] floating around, you have to be concerned," adds Lt. Gary Thornberry of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, a member of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. "As far as it being an alarmist situation, I don't see that yet. From a law enforcement point of view, you have to be careful, because it's not illegal to have an ideology."

After sparking conflict and showdowns in the 1990s ? think Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing ? white supremacist and nationalist groups began this century largely splintered and powerless. Though high immigration levels helped boost the number of hate groups from 602 in 2000 to 888 in 2007, key leaders of such groups had died, been imprisoned, or were otherwise marginalized.

But postelection, at least two white nationalist websites ? Stormfront and the Council of Conservative Citizens ? report their servers have crashed because of heavy traffic. The League of the South, a secessionist group, says Web hits jumped from 50,000 a month to 300,000 since Nov. 4, and its phones are ringing off the hook.

"The vitriol is flailing out shotgun-style," says Mr. Levin. "They recognize Obama as a tipping point, the perfect storm in the narrative of the hate world ? the apocalypse that they've been moaning about has come true."

Supremacist propaganda is already on the upswing. In Oklahoma, fringe groups have distributed anti-Obama propaganda through newspapers and taped it to home mail boxes. Ugly incidents such as cross-burnings, assassination betting pools, and Obama effigies are also being reported from Maine to Alabama.

The Ku Klux Klan has been tied to recent news events, as well. Two Tennessee men implicated for plotting to kill 88 black men, including Obama, were tied to the KKK chapter whose leader was convicted in a civil trial in Brandenburg, Ky., last week, for inciting violence. The murder last week in Louisiana of a KKK initiate, allegedly killed after trying to back out of joining, came at the hands of a new group called Sons of Dixie, authorities say.

"We're not looking at a race war or anything close to it, but ... what we are seeing now is undeniably a fairly major backlash by some subset of the white population," says Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montomgery, Ala. "Many whites feel that the country their forefathers built has been ... stolen from them, so there's in some places a real boiling rage, and that can only become worse as more people lose jobs."

In an election in which barely 20 percent of native Southern whites in Deep South states voted for Obama, the newly apparent political clout of "outsiders" and people of color has been unnerving to some.

"In states like Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, there was extraordinary racial polarization in the vote," says Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University in Atlanta. "Black Americans really do believe that Obama is going to represent their interests and views in ways that they haven't been before, and, in the Deep South, whites feel exactly the opposite."

But for nonviolent secessionist groups like the League of the South, the hope is for a more vigorous debate about the direction of the US and the South's role in it, says Michael Tuggle, a League blogger in North Carolina.

Mr. Tuggle says his group isn't looking for an 1860-style secession but, rather, a model that Spain, for one, is moving toward, in which "there's a great deal of autonomy for constituent regions" ? a foil to what is seen as unchecked, dangerous federal power in Washington.

"To a lot of people, the idea of secession doesn't seem so crazy anymore," says Tuggle. "People are talking about how left out they feel, ... and they feel that something strange and radical has taken over our country."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081117/ts_csm/aaryan_1
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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #117 on: November 17, 2008, 02:44:15 PM »
Sorry, not even close. The actions of a "few high school" students and imaginary racists pales in comparison to what elected officals are doing. The article also says these aren't actions, and it's all speculation.

Keep trying.

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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #118 on: November 17, 2008, 05:05:21 PM »
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You seem to hate people who simply want to officially acknowledge their love for one another. Why should they be denied this? What possible harm could it do to you?

Why does disagreeing with the use of the term "marriage"  in any civil contract Adam and Steve choose to officially acknowledge their relationship equate to hate?

alot of deflection and avoidance of your query there, BT
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Re: KKK shoots and kills
« Reply #119 on: November 17, 2008, 05:09:05 PM »
The actions of a "few high school" students and imaginary racists pales in comparison to what elected officals are doing.

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What are  "elected officals" doing?

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