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Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:53:52 AM »
Louisiana has the record for gun nut deaths,  and  seems to be likely to keep the unfortunate title.
Once more, the legendary "good man with a gun" came too late to stop the traditional "bad man with a gun".
If only there had been more guns in that theater. Perhaps the guy who runs the popcorn machine should be required to also be armed and waiting in the projection booth. Sure, that would do the trick.

CNN)As moviegoers settled in for the comedy "Trainwreck," John Russell Houser stood up and unloaded at least 13 shots. Then, as people rushed from the theater, the 59-year-old man joined them and headed outside, apparently toward his blue 1995 Lincoln Continental.

Then Houser noticed the sirens from police converging on the Lafayette, Louisiana, theater. So he went back inside and took his own life.

By that point Thursday night, 21-year-old Mayci Breaux of Franklin, Louisiana, was dead. Ten others were wounded, including 33-year-old Lafayette resident Jillian Johnson, who would die at a nearby hospital.

And a city, state and country were searching for answers.

"Why did he come here? Why did he do (this)?" Col. Michael Edmonson of the Louisiana State Police said Friday morning. "We don't know that."

Police: 'He could have come out and done additional harm'

Houser was a drifter who'd become estranged from his family back home in Louisiana and arrived in Lafayette, a city of about 120,000 people about 60 miles west of Baton Rouge, in early July. He was staying at a Motel 6, about 4 miles north of his eventual target, the Grand 16 theater.

Why he'd gone there is a mystery. Lafayette Police Chief Jim Craft said Houser once had an uncle who lived in the city, but he'd died about 35 years ago. Authorities gave no indication that he knew anyone else there.
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But they have some clues suggesting this wasn't a spontaneous act. Houser's hotel room had wigs, glasses and other apparent disguises. And he'd swapped out the license plates on his Lincoln Continental, parking it right outside an exit door to the Grand 16.

Yet, while he paused his barrage of bullets to head toward the exits, he never made it to the car.

Two police officers who happened to be at the theater made their way toward where "Trainwreck" was playing, as patrons rushed away from the carnage and their law enforcement colleagues on the outside rushed to get there.

"They heard a shot," Craft said. "And upon entering the theater, the suspect was found deceased from a self-inflicted gunshot wound."

Edmonson said that the gunman got outside, saw police coming, and then returned to kill himself.

"He could have come out and done additional harm," the state police colonel said. "... It was an ordinary moment, an ordinary night, and it turned into an extraordinary situation."

Pops, muzzle flashes and panic

The shooting victims are in area hospitals, except for two who have been released. One of the ones still hospitalized was in critical condition Friday morning, Craft said.

As they recover, others are thankful they're not hurt physically even as they try to make sense of why someone would fire at least 13 bullets into a movie theater packed with about 100 people, none of whom he apparently knew.

Randall Mann, an executive at Acadian Ambulance, which responded within 6 minutes, said his 21-year-old daughter -- who was watching "Trainwreck" from the second-to-last row, the same one as Houser -- is "very traumatized" but unharmed.

"She made a comment that she was just thankful that the shooter did not pick one of the theaters that had some children's movies in it because she would have hated for the children to have witnessed that," he told CNN. "I took that as a great first step of her eventually coping with this."

Horror in a movie theater, instead of on a screen

He said that when his daughter heard the first pops, she thought they could have been firecrackers or part of the movie. But she "knew something was happening" when she saw muzzle flashes, Mann said. She hit the floor then ran for her life, joining a swarm of panicked but controlled, helpful crowd.

Another man in the theater told Keifer Sanders, who was watching another movie, that "there was no argument, nothing going on at all. And a guy just stood up and started opening fire."

"The guy was just kind of at ease, just standing there, just shooting," Sanders said.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal recounted the story of two teachers, enjoying the last few days of summer break, caught up in the melee. One jumped over the other, a move that the friend said prevented a bullet from hitting her in the head, according to the governor. It struck her in the leg instead.

This all unfolded around 7:30 p.m. (8:30 p.m. ET), about 20 minutes into a film that Houser had bought a ticket for just like everyone else. Afterward, the movie's star Amy Schumer tweeted, "My heart is broken and all my thoughts and prayers are with everyone in Louisiana."
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2015, 12:15:10 PM »
.........and once again, ocurred in a supposed "gun free zone".  Boy, those zones are sure great......for shooters who know that none of the vicitms will be able to defend themselves
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2015, 12:21:19 PM »
If only there had been more guns in that theater.

NOW you're getting it.  Kind of hard for that to happen when law abiding are forbidden to, while the gun nut has no intention of following any law
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2015, 01:38:07 PM »
I really doubt that anyone in Louisiana pays any attention to "gun free zone" signs.
You say that "guns do not kill people", but now you are saying that signs do.
O Please.

The more guns there are, the more people will get shot.
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2015, 01:50:06 PM »
I really doubt that anyone in Louisiana pays any attention to "gun free zone" signs.

The law abiding do.  That's what makes them law abiding


You say that "guns do not kill people", but now you are saying that signs do.

Professor literal, strikes again.    :o


The more guns there are, the more people will get shot.

And the more guns in law abiding citizens hands, the more lives saved than taken using a gun.  Sorry, my lives saved, trumps your lives lost
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2015, 02:10:52 PM »
Of course, this only applies in the US, because we are so "exceptional".

One of the exceptions is the excess number of guns.

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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2015, 02:21:58 PM »
And the more of those Guns! in law abiding hands means more lives saved than taken by one
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2015, 03:34:40 PM »
That is bullshit, of course.

No matter how much you spew this nonsense, you are not convincing me.
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2015, 03:40:27 PM »
Of course I'm not going to convince you.  You've drunk the coolaide.  Doesn't matter however, facts are facts regardless of how ignorant you wish to remain
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2015, 05:52:19 PM »
The facts are these:

In the UK an citizen is 40 times less likely to be shot.
In Spain, 37  times less likely to be shot.
In Denmark, 8  times less likely to be shot.
In Switzerland, 3.6 times less likely to be shot.
In Japan 177 times times less likely to be shot.

But we are better off than Swaziland, South Africa, and Honduras.

More guns do not make people safer. The more there are, the more people will be shot.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2015, 06:11:41 PM »
And IN THE UNITED STATES, a minimum of 7 times more lives are saved using a gun, to the 1 life taken by some thug.  That means for the 2 lives that the Louisiana shooter took, 14+ lives were saved using a gun elsewhere in the country.

You're right, more guns don't make us safer....simply more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens do

Hope the coolaide is tasty
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2015, 08:45:41 PM »
If the guns were simply NOT THERE we would be safer, wand the more guns there ware., the less safe we are.
Cut it with the bullshit, sirs. You ware a pitiful brainwashed sap.

Consider this. How hard would it be for someone to find a drivable Studebaker?
The last one was produced around 1963.

The fact it, it is very hard to find one. You probably can find one or two on eBay, and they would be expensive: not because they were great cars, but because they are rare. It is pretty easy to find a good Chevrolet, Ford or Plymouth, because they made many, many more of them than Studebakers. Years ago, people junked Studebakers at a greater rate due to the difficulty of finding parts and mechanics who wanted to work on them. It has never been illegal to own a Studebaker.

There were hundreds of thousands of Fords, Chevvies and Plymouths produced, and it is really easy to find one.

The same is true of guns: the more guns there are, the easier it is to find one, and the less you will have to pay for one.
Guns, like cars, do not die when their owners die.
The heirs might or might not be responsible, They might need $600 more than they need a Beretta and most would sell it to someone they knew without bothering with any paperwork.
So the more guns there are, the greater the chances guns will be cheap and readily available to anyone who wants them. More guns to be stolen, misused wand "borrowed" bu nutty friends and relatives.

More guns do NOT make anyone safer, The more of the goddamned things there ware, the more people are going to get shot.
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2015, 09:04:59 PM »

If the guns were simply NOT THERE we would be safer, wand the more guns there ware., the less safe we are.
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Consider this. How hard would it be for someone to find a drivable Studebaker?
The last one was produced around 1963.
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.................. the more guns there are, the easier it is to find one, and the less you will have to pay for one.
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More guns do NOT make anyone safer, The more of the goddamned things there ware, the more people are going to get shot.
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More guns do not make people safer. The more there are, the more people will be shot.

  What highly impractical and onerous measure are you suggesting?

    That if the entire production of guns were shut down they would be scarce in fifty years?

     It is not hard to make a firearm last fifty years, I have a perfectly serviceable octogenarian here.
      They also are not any harder to smuggle than is pot, if they were as scarce as classic cars the incentive to smuggle them would rise in proportion to the value.


      The USA is about the middle of the series in terms of the prevalence of violence, about half the world has it worse about half the world has it better. This seems natural for a nation whose people are drawn from all the world, we are probably better off than we deserve to be.

    If you want to make a comparison that demonstrates how effective gun law can be , you will have to find some way of comparing the oranges to oranges .  England had a lower murder rate than ours back when their gun restrictions were as light as ours.

     The mass killing rate of Europe depends a lot on what you want to include , if you exclude the regular European Wars they look a lot better than we do , if you include the wars that Europeans engage in on a regular basis they catch right up.

    Also is Moldova European?

     If you get to leave Moldova out , I get to leave Illinois out, if you don't include Bosnia I won't include Louisiana. This seems fair to me.

     

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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2015, 09:14:33 PM »
This is a country, NOT a continent. This country is NOT having a civil war, or some secessionist movement, like Transdniestria or the former pieces of Yugoslavia that are still outside the EU.
If you were to compare it to Europe, the European Union Countries, NOT all those warring ex-Soviet Republics would be the group to use, since they have roughly equivalent gun regulations.
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Re: Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2015, 09:23:11 PM »
This is a country, NOT a continent. This country is NOT having a civil war, or some secessionist movement, like Transdniestria or the former pieces of Yugoslavia that are still outside the EU.
If you were to compare it to Europe, the European Union Countries, NOT all those warring ex-Soviet Republics would be the group to use, since they have roughly equivalent gun regulations.

Shall we compare the USA to France or to Denmark? France is a bit bigger than Texas and Denmark compares to Massachusetts.   We have just as many states that go years between these attacks as Europe does.

The US is most of a continent , especially we are most of the population of this continent.

But If you want to compare the US to Monaco, go on .