Bonus gun nut for July attacks Louisiana theater

[Xavier_Onassis]

The reason guns are so easily obtained is that there are soooo many of the damned things.

Try finding a gun in Tokyo or Madrid as easily. Or even Zurich.

[sirs]

#of guns is moot.  Nor do Japan, Spain, or Germany have a version of the 2nd amendment. 

Acquiring them illegally is the point being made

[Xavier_Onassis]

If they do not have the second amendment, then they are fortunate. And far less likely to be shot.

The Second Amendment needs to go. It should have been gone long ago. That is my point.

[sirs]

And there is the mechanism to do exactly that.....WITHIN THE LAW.  Good luck with that

[kimba1]

I prefer a highly regulated gun ownership. Meaning training as a requirement to get a gun and background check. But at a extremely voluntary level to the point culturally no one can criticize people who do not own guns

[sirs]

The follow-up question would be regulated by whom, and how so?

[hnumpah]

I prefer a highly regulated gun ownership. Meaning training as a requirement to get a gun and background check. But at a extremely voluntary level to the point culturally no one can criticize people who do not own guns

Background checks are already required. Hunting safety courses are required to get hunting licenses. Safety courses are required for concealed carry permits. The NRA has for years offered gun safety, self defense and concealed carry classes. It would be nice if those were mandatory, but even then, the criminals running around with illegally obtained firearms aren't likely to worry about skipping a class.

[Plane]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lafayette-shooter-able-to-buy-gun-because-he-was-never-involuntarily-committed/ar-AAdyzXu

In this article the author calls the legal purchase a "loophole".

He is wrong.

If the law had been enforced as written , this buyer would have poped up on the list of people forbidden to buy a gun.

This is not a loophole , it is a symptom of a very difficult to enforce and administer law.

Why pass a new law, if the ones on the books are not being used?

[sirs]

Bingo

[Xavier_Onassis]

I'm with Kimba here.

[hnumpah]

...Why pass a new law, if the ones on the books are not being used?

My point perzactly.

[Plane]

   Yes H , you and I are very close in agreement on this issue.

     I shall mark a calendar.

[hnumpah]

I have always said that, Plane. There are, last time I looked, over 20,000 gun laws on the books. We don't need more unenforceable or downright unenforced laws, we need to pare them down  to a few effective, enforceable ones, then make sure they are enforced. Stiffen penalties for lawbreakers, work harder to get illegal firearms off the streets and stop straw buyers and others from buying guns legally, then passing them on to criminals. Sure, even piss off the NRA - I'm sure they'll howl about some of the measures. Got to wonder, who needs a 30 round magazine for hunting or target shooting? You can't legally own a full auto without a special license, why not do the same for high capacity magazines? Whatever they do, they need to enforce it.

That said, I do believe in private ownership, and its place in "a well regulated militia" - the key to me is "well regulated."

[kimba1]

Nothing i stated is against gun ownership. My focus is more on right for people to decide to have or have not. Due to examples of towns and counties that has mandatory not voluntarily gun ownership

[Xavier_Onassis]

Mandatory gun ownership is insanity.