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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true)
To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant
By Steve Holland
ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.
The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
MCCAIN KNEW
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.
In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.
McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.
According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.
A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,'" a senior aide said.
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Personally, I find this whole story to be reprehensible on all fronts.
Those on the left who allegedly broke the story should be put down behind the shed.
Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her. What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
It is reprehensible that this is happening in our country. Absolutely vomit-inducing all the way around.
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Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her. What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
People are faced with choices all the time. It is what you do with those choices that matter.
Ultimately the choices Bristol made were hers to make. Including deciding to keep the baby.
Palin has an everyman aura about her, including the trials of missteps by their kids.
I don't see the right making a big deal of this. I'm sure some snark on the left will
Contrasts nicely with Obama's remarks about punishing their kids if they make a mistake by making them keep the baby.
Choices become clearer. Walks and talks diverge or separate.
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What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
What is it of anyone's business that she's pregnant? Age of consent in Alaska is 16.
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Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her. What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
People are faced with choices all the time. It is what you do with those choices that matter.
Ultimately the choices Bristol made were hers to make. Including deciding to keep the baby.
Palin has an everyman aura about her, including the trials of missteps by their kids.
I don't see the right making a big deal of this. I'm sure some snark on the left will
Contrasts nicely with Obama's remarks about punishing their kids if they make a mistake by making them keep the baby.
Choices become clearer. Walks and talks diverge or separate.
Oh, of course.
Politically speaking, the right will not be able to make anything out of it "issue-wise". Some puritans on the right will simply stay home that vote for her, I suspect.
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What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
What is it of anyone's business that she's pregnant? Age of consent in Alaska is 16.
LOL
I can only laugh at that. It's like you think that all the people in the lower 48 will say, "Hey, age of consent in AK is 16, no biggie."
You're funny when you try sometimes.
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Some puritans on the right will simply stay home that vote for her, I suspect.
Doubtful, since she and her future husband will keep the baby.
America loves redemption stories.
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Some puritans on the right will simply stay home that vote for her, I suspect.
Doubtful, since she and her future husband will keep the baby.
America loves redemption stories.
Uh-huh, ok, then.
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I can only laugh at that. It's like you think that all the people in the lower 48 will say, "Hey, age of consent in AK is 16, no biggie."
You're funny when you try sometimes.
The age of consent in most states is 16. And for thousands of years it was normal for 16 year old girls to get pregnant. It's only this century that it was thought of as "too young."
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Uh-huh, ok, then.
1. Do you have a problem with the daughter being pregnant
2 and keeping the baby?
I suspect you do, what with your Springer remark.
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I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.
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I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.
I'm betting we won't find out until November 4th.
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Uh-huh, ok, then.
1. Do you have a problem with the daughter being pregnant
2 and keeping the baby?
I suspect you do, what with your Springer remark.
1. The daughter being pregnant? No, not really. I feel sorry for her that she is in that unenviable position. I find it reprehensible that a bunch of campaign managers decided it would be not so bad to put her in the position of being the unwed pregnant daughter of the vp nominee who is supposed to carry McCain's conservative water. Conservatives tend to frown on unwed teenage mothers. Yes, they are slightly less judgmental of unwed teenage mothers who keep their babies but it sure doesn't help to shore up their undying passion of abstinence only programs.
2. Of course, I have absolutely no problem with her keeping her baby. I'm all for that but having seen others who have conceived children out of wedlock and then gone on to marry (and then divorce), I know what kind of path shotgun weddings put folk on.
The unwed teenage daughter is only part of the image of her family as a "Springer family". Take into account all the other craziness in Sarah Palin's life, I can't help think of her family as either a "Springer family" or a family that might appear regularly on COPS.
You've got her as being conservative right off the bat. (Loving god, guns and not gays)
You've got her crazy ex-brother-in-law who threatened to kill her dad and all that.
You've now got this photo of her floating around with that "flat busted" t-shirt on.
Apparently, she thinks that pledge of allegiance was "good enough for our founding fathers".
She doesn't know what the VP does all day.
Maybe she's gotten wiser since she took office but I'd say the big picture is kind of shabby right.
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I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.
I'm betting we won't find out until November 4th.
D'oh!
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You've now got this photo of her floating around with that "flat busted" t-shirt on.
Figures the left would bring up 25+ year old clothing choices.
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Personally, I find this whole story to be reprehensible on all fronts.
Those on the left who allegedly broke the story should be put down behind the shed.
Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her. What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
It is reprehensible that this is happening in our country. Absolutely vomit-inducing all the way around.
My gosh you are naive.
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Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her. What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?
People are faced with choices all the time. It is what you do with those choices that matter.
Ultimately the choices Bristol made were hers to make. Including deciding to keep the baby.
Palin has an everyman aura about her, including the trials of missteps by their kids.
I don't see the right making a big deal of this. I'm sure some snark on the left will
Contrasts nicely with Obama's remarks about punishing their kids if they make a mistake by making them keep the baby.
Choices become clearer. Walks and talks diverge or separate.
Oh, of course.
Politically speaking, the right will not be able to make anything out of it "issue-wise". Some puritans on the right will simply stay home that vote for her, I suspect.
Sorry chump -- this isn't going to hurt anybody. Mark my words, President McCain...Even the baby (a human life at conception) is going to be well taken care of.
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I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.
Idiot that would be Nov 4th
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I heard on the radio earlier that Obama said he would fire any campaign staffer who made Palin's daughter an issue.
Good on him.
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n Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret
By Nathan Thornburgh/WASILLA
So his name is Levi.
That's about the only thing that I didn't know about Bristol Palin's pregnancy. The rest of the details I picked up almost without trying, while talking about other things with townsfolk ? some who know the governor and her family well, some who don't. It was, more or less, an open secret. And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that.
I happen to agree.
This tiny town wedged in between the Chugach and Talkeetna mountain ranges has intrigued the whole country since John McCain's surprise Friday announcement that Wasilla's favorite daughter, Sarah Palin, would be his running mate. Sure, some of the interest was a prelude to attacks on Palin's readiness for national office. But Wasilla also offered a welcome chance to get specific about the geography of a politician. It's one of our most cherished myths, that a leader can come from somewhere and you can guess at their qualities not just by what they say, but where they live.
Well, here's the deal: small towns have their own value systems, and in this situation those values are more a lot more valid than the dispassionate, pushy inquisitiveness that political journalism encourages.
I just got off the phone with a longtime Wasilla resident. She had urged me to find time today to go up to Hatcher Pass?"the most beautiful place in the valley!"?when I mentioned that the story on Bristol's baby is now national news. Her voice slowed. "Oh," she said. "I'm so sorry. That's so unfair."
Wasilla seems at times to be utterly without guile. It's a large part of the town's charm, and it's exactly the quality that could make an unorthodox pick like Palin pay off. Don't get me wrong ? she's a tough politician with sharp enough elbows on her own. But still, she appears to be more steeped in the values of her hometown than any politician I've ever come across.
Maybe that means Palin is a little too much Northern Exposure for America?after all, her father's good friend Curt Menard happily showed me a picture of the governor as a high schooler in 1981, in a root cellar with family and friends, helping skin and cube and cure a whole moose. It's enough to make you almost miss fake hunters like John Kerry and Mitt Romney.
People in Wasilla are Alaskan tough, so not only does a thing like teen pregnancy not seem like anyone's damn business, but it's also not seen as the calamity so many people in the lower 48 might think it is. This is dangerous country ? it's not just the roughneck jobs on cable reality shows. It's real life here. I listened to the absolutely heartbreaking story of how the godfather of Track Palin, Sarah's oldest son, died in small plane crash just minutes after having dropped off four kids. Another family invited me into their home and told their incredible story; with one son in Iraq, their other son was working on a conveyor line in Anchorage, got caught in the belt and had his head partially crushed. He lived to stand across the kitchen table from me and his parents, looking fully healed just three months later, grinning at his dumb luck and wondering what comes next in life. "It makes you realize that a thing like a little teenage pregnancy isn't such a big deal," his mom said. "Bristol?and lots of other girl like her out there ? are going to be just fine."
If you haven't guessed yet, the people here are genuinely friendly. Even those in Palin's inner sanctum who have been told since Friday not to talk to reporters by McCain's media team, are almost apologetic that they can't be neighborly and chat, since you came all this way to little Wasilla. And those who can talk, do. All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn't know the governor's eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn't be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl's slip.
The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.
You can argue that it was hamhanded of the McCain campaign?they had to have known, right? ? to somehow let this drop just a few days after the announcement. Pregnancy does show, and it does have a ticking clock. The story was going to come out eventually.
As for the idea ? sure to be floated?that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn't bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn't be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that's what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837862,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837862,00.html)
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Here's generally how it's going down. The conservative, pro-McCain-ticket Republicans, if the Nancy Thornburgh article is any clue, are portraying the teenage pregnancy (normally abhorrent to all good Republicans) as just wholesome, small-town Americana. The good, solid, salt-of-the-earth Wasillans, band solidly together behind the Palin family and its errant daughter, and refuse to comment publicly on the lessons one can learn from all this. The obvious negative inference is that anyone who DOES comment on it has to be the opposite of the Wasillans (at least as they are portrayed in the article,) meaning that they are shiftless, lazy, treacherous and un-American.
From which it appears that the Republicans are desperately afraid of this becoming an issue in the campaign. It remains to be seen how Obama will react. I think he did the right thing: "Any staffer who makes an issue of this will be fired." Obama couldn't say anything else. Just as Bush himself could not Swift-Boat. Which does not mean that Swift-Boating could not occur, just that it has to be done by persons totally unconnected to the Obama campaign. Get to work, guys!!! Republicans Swift-Boat, they build something as trivial as a Presidential BJ into an inquiry leading to perjury and impeachment; if Democrats hang back over something as trivial as a teenage pregnancy, they don't deserve to win because they don't know how to fight.
This pregnancy is a God-given opportunity to expose Ms. Palin's parenting skills as about equal in worth to McCain's wedding vows. It is an on-going mystery to me how these pontificating experts on how others should lead their lives are themselves such monumental fuck-ups, who when exposed, benefit immensely from Democratic fools who think the "high road" is the road to the White House. Also, the instant efforts at normalization, "We're all sinners." Sorry pal, we are NOT all sinners, some of us have remained married and faithful for a lifetime and manage somehow not to lie and cheat on our spouses and the mothers of our children, some of us (hard to believe, eh) DO manage to raise daughters who avoid teenage pregnancy. But it's funny how a lying cheating weasel gets away publishing a book called "Faith of Our Fathers" associating him forever with images of steadfastness and loyalty that stand unchallenged only because the Democrats can't ever seem to find their own Swift-Boaters. Palin is probably immensely vulnerable becuase she's gotta be on the record a hundred times opposing sex ed in schools, opposing condom distribution in high schools, etc.
There are plenty of personal, vicious, racist attacks on Obama, including the highly successful "He's a Muslim" whispering campaign - - well, Demos, it's time to get started on McCain-Palin.
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portraying the teenage pregnancy (normally abhorrent to all good Republicans) as just wholesome, small-town Americana.
The only people I've seen decrying "teenage pregnancy" around here have been the left-leaning ones.
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I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies.
I would like to remind all conservatives that teenage pregnancies are, on the whole, the result of teenage girls having unprotected sex with a person of the opposite sex. I'm sure that's all well and fine since the age of consent in AK is 16.
Yes, no conservative has any problem with unwed teenagers having pregnancies outside of wedlock.
Wow! I learn something new every day in here! Thanks, conservatives, for clearing up that misconception!
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I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies.
Nothing like twisting the words of others.
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Here's generally how it's going down. The conservative, pro-McCain-ticket Republicans, if the Nancy Thornburgh article is any clue, are portraying the teenage pregnancy as just wholesome, small-town Americana.
And yet again with the false premise
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Palin is probably immensely vulnerable becuase she's gotta be on the record a hundred times opposing sex ed in schools, opposing condom distribution in high schools, etc.
Palin has no problems with contraception. She doesn't believe Abortion should be used as an alternative to birth control.
I don't think that differs much from the philosophy of most Americans.
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I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies.
I would like to remind all conservatives that teenage pregnancies are, on the whole, the result of teenage girls having unprotected sex with a person of the opposite sex. I'm sure that's all well and fine since the age of consent in AK is 16.
Yes, no conservative has any problem with unwed teenagers having pregnancies outside of wedlock.
Wow! I learn something new every day in here! Thanks, conservatives, for clearing up that misconception!
I agree with Mikey. The dems should make a huge issue of this.
Please.
Pretty Please?
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:D
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<<The only people I've seen decrying "teenage pregnancy" around here have been the left-leaning ones.>>
Obviously you're not a follower of James Dobson and Focus on the Family:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/search.aspx/search?q=teen%20pregnancy (http://www.focusonthefamily.com/search.aspx/search?q=teen%20pregnancy)
But OK, I forgot who I'm dealing with - - the religious right doesn't give a shit about teen pregnancy, they're much more focused on the decline of our spotted owl and snail darter populations.
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I can only laugh at that. It's like you think that all the people in the lower 48 will say, "Hey, age of consent in AK is 16, no biggie."
You're funny when you try sometimes.
The age of consent in most states is 16. And for thousands of years it was normal for 16 year old girls to get pregnant. It's only this century that it was thought of as "too young."
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For thousands of years, men beating up women was "normal". So was incest in much of the world.
Palin is an advocate of abstinance and an opponent of sex ed in schools. I think that at the very least, this suggests that neither view accomplishes its goal of women waiting until marriage before having sex. Or babies.
Palin does not have the experience needed to be president, and she is the VP candidate of the most ancient geezer ever to run for this office. This was a surprising choice, but hardly a wise one. Perhaps more of a wise-assed one. McCain has a long tradition of wiseassery
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Obviously you're not a follower of James Dobson and Focus on the Family:
Please remind me which ID that James Dobson uses when posting around here?
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Obviously you're not a follower of James Dobson and Focus on the Family:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/search.aspx/search?q=teen%20pregnancy (http://www.focusonthefamily.com/search.aspx/search?q=teen%20pregnancy)
From your link: Doesn't seem like Focus on Family is all about hurling stones at all.
Dear Dr. Bill:
My 15-year-old daughter is pregnant with her boyfriend's baby. Her boyfriend is urging her to have an abortion, and she has asked me for advice on what to do. How would you advise my daughter?
? Amy
Dear Amy:
I feel for your family's predicament. It must be an incredibly difficult time for your daughter right now. I can't imagine being 15 years old and pregnant.
More than anything else, your daughter needs your support and encouragement right now. If you are upset or angry over this unplanned pregnancy, put your anger aside and be there for your daughter. She needs your unconditional love, AND she needs your maturity and wisdom.
As a Christian, I believe every life has incredible worth and value?from conception to the grave. Each of us is made in God's image?the Bible says He knew us before we were knit together in our mother's womb. Because of this, abortion is never an option, regardless of the circumstances. It is the deliberate taking of human life?a life that is loved and cherished by God.
There are many resources available to help your daughter through this difficult time, to help her to understand that there is a precious life growing inside her, and to assist her with the practical help and support she needs. One option that is rarely discussed by the media or in the public school system is adoption. If you agree that she is unable or lacks the maturity to care for the baby herself, there are thousands of loving couples who are unable to have children that would love to adopt this little boy or girl.
If you call our 800-number here at Focus on the Family (800-A-FAMILY), one of our counselors would be happy to talk to you and your daughter during this stressful time. You can also go to a Web site called optionline.org to locate a pregnancy resource center in your local area.
By the way, we have a wonderful packet of resources for teen girls who are dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. It's called "Decisions About Abortion." You can order it by calling us or visiting our online Resource Center.
http://listen.family.org/askdrbill/A000000311.cfm (http://listen.family.org/askdrbill/A000000311.cfm)
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For thousands of years, men beating up women was "normal". So was incest in much of the world.
Only among those who believe urban legends.
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<<From your link: Doesn't seem like Focus on Family is all about hurling stones at all . . . >>
My "link" in fact linked to 69 other links, of which you selected one only and ignored all the others. Here's a link to the Focus on the Family opposition to the mandatory vaccination of students in the public education system with HPV vaccine, which protects against cervical cancer.
http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000357.cfm (http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000000357.cfm)
A proposed vaccination which undoubtedly will save some young women (those whose parents place religious dogma above the health and safety of their own children) from cancer of the cervix, is opposed by the religious right. If they succeed in opposing or even delaying the vaccination program, young women who might otherwise have been spared cervical cancer will now get it, thanks to Dobson and his organization.
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<<From your link: Doesn't seem like Focus on Family is all about hurling stones at all . . . >>
My "link" in fact linked to 69 other links, of which you selected one only and ignored all the others. Here's a link to the Focus on the Family opposition to the mandatory vaccination of students in the public education system with HPV vaccine, which protects against cervical cancer.
Vs the vaccination itself. Let's try to keep it honest, Tee
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A proposed vaccination which undoubtedly will save some young women (those whose parents place religious dogma above the health and safety of their own children) from cancer of the cervix, is opposed by the religious right.
The vaccine itself is not opposed by the religious right, contrary to your statement; forced vaccinations are opposed.
And while this vaccine "undoubtedly will save some young women," forcing all girls to get it will "undoubtedly kill some young women" as vaccines have done so in the past.
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Mandatory vaccines are not the same as Focus on Families views on teenage pregnancies.
Try to keep it honest
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mandatory vaccinations will save more lives than are lost. If done right, no lives will be lost. The issue of forced vaccinations is phony because the other side is forced non-vaccinations. Whether it is the school board or the parents are making the decision, the welfare of the child herself is not in her hands.
So the real question is, as between school board and parents, which is more likely to keep the welfare of the child closest to heart? Obviously the school board, because they have no ideology to follow, and will undoubtedly be in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the parents. The minority of parents who don't agree with the school board and don't want the vaccinations are primarily influenced by religious doctrine, which means that extraneous factors are being allowed to influence decisions that should be governed only by considerations of the child's best interests.
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mandatory vaccinations will save more lives than are lost. If done right, no lives will be lost.
So, you can cite the URL that demonstrates 100% correct application of vaccinations with no death related instances, please
And even done "right", certain, very serious & deadly complications can arise, such as Guillian Barre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillian_Barre_syndrome).
But returning to the point, the issue remians your callous misrepresentation of Focus on the Family's opposition to MANDATORY vaccinations, vs the vaccination itself.
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Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on Today at 12:27:34 PM
For thousands of years, men beating up women was "normal". So was incest in much of the world.
Only among those who believe urban legends.
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Oh please. All you have to do is read the literature of medieval times and the writings of various explorers.
I really do not think that Fray Bernardo de Zahagun and Inca Garcilaso de la Vega can be called "urban legends".
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Palin is probably immensely vulnerable becuase she's gotta be on the record a hundred times opposing sex ed in schools, opposing condom distribution in high schools, etc.
Palin has no problems with contraception. She doesn't believe Abortion should be used as an alternative to birth control.
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No one believes that abortion is a good alternative to birth control in principle.
Just like no one believes that a tree is a proper way to stop a car.
But then, when it is either a matter of hitting the tree or going over the cliff, the tree does not look as unreasonable.
It's when a woman is faced with either having an abortion or raising a child for the next 18 years that it becomes an issue.
I continue to think that this sorta proves that abstinence in this case (what Palin seems to have preferred over sex-ed or pills or condoms) are not such an effective alternative. As for Palin abd her daughter as well, they are ree to do whatever they wish. But this particular incident does not seem to reveal the sort of thoughtful leadership skills that one might need to run a country in the event that the Geezer-in-Chief should shuffle off this mortal coil, as it were.
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mandatory vaccinations will save more lives than are lost. If done right, no lives will be lost.
So, quantity counts? If I only kill one person, it's no big deal?
The issue of forced vaccinations is phony because the other side is forced non-vaccinations.
Since when does my choosing whether or not to get a vaccine for my daughter force you to not get one?
Does that work for abortions as well? Since you advocate a choice whether or not to get an abortion, I can now claim that your advocation of choice is inherently forcing me daughter to get one?
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Oh please. All you have to do is read the literature of medieval times and the writings of various explorers.
I really do not think that Fray Bernardo de Zahagun and Inca Garcilaso de la Vega can be called "urban legends".
I would suggest that "more common than current times" does not equate to "normal behavior".
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If HPV vaccination is not mandatory in the schools, or at least offered to all students with an opt-out parental option, then millions of girls won't get the vaccine at all. This is just a fact of life. To pretend that every parent is zealously on top of health issues and will get the HPV vaccine for his or her daughter whether or not it's offered in the public schools is just crazy. Many girls who would take the vaccine if offered in the schools will not get it if it's not, either because their parents just don't give a shit, aren't up on these topics or are confused by scare tactics and misinformation spread by organizations like Focus on the Family.
If the number of girls killed by the vaccine were anywhere close to the number of lives saved by the prevention of cervical cancer, the vaccine would never be offered. Jeopardizing your daughter's health because of minuscule chances of adverse reactions or bad vaccine is like refusing to take a heart attack victim to the hospital in an ambulance because he might get killed in a traffic accident on the way.
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If HPV vaccination is not mandatory in the schools, or at least offered to all students with an opt-out parental option, then millions of girls won't get the vaccine at all.
We don't do vaccines in school in the US. They just send out a list of "mandatory" vaccines (for which you must document the reception back to the school) and a list of "recommended" vaccines.
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<<We don't do vaccines in school in the US. They just send out a list of "mandatory" vaccines (for which you must document the reception back to the school) and a list of "recommended" vaccines.>>
We used to line up for them in school. I think you could bring a doctor's letter that you already had yours. Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Hurt like a sonofabitch either way.
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I couldn't walk properly for over a month after mine. Apparently hit a nerve
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or at least offered to all students with an opt-out parental option, then millions of girls won't get the vaccine at all.
Looks like you and Focus on the Family are on the same page.
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I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.
I'm betting we won't find out until November 4th.
D'oh!
Arragh ...... why tell him?
Next someone will be telling him to be sure to regester.
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or at least offered to all students with an opt-out parental option, then millions of girls won't get the vaccine at all.
Looks like you and Focus on the Family are on the same page.
D'oh ;)
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I heard on the radio earlier that Obama said he would fire any campaign staffer who made Palin's daughter an issue.
Good on him.
A moment of class.
I don't plan to vote for him , but he at least deserves some praise for setting limits.