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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2008, 08:27:16 PM »
Personally, I find this whole story to be reprehensible on all fronts.

Those on the left who allegedly broke the story should be put down behind the shed.

Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her.  What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?

It is reprehensible that this is happening in our country.  Absolutely vomit-inducing all the way around.



My gosh you are naive.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2008, 08:29:34 PM »
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Secondly, it's widely reported by non-left-wing blogs (MSM) that McCain and his campaign knew all about it before they picked her.  What kind of a group of people goes ahead with a pick knowing full-well it will thrust an unwed 17-yo daughter of a right-wing'er into the spotlight of a nation's scrutiny and possible disdain?


People are faced with choices all the time. It is what you do with those choices that matter.

Ultimately the choices Bristol made were hers to make. Including deciding to keep the baby.

Palin has an everyman aura about her, including the trials of missteps by their kids.

I don't see the right making a big deal of this. I'm sure some snark on the left will

Contrasts nicely with Obama's remarks about punishing their kids if they make a mistake by making them keep the baby.

Choices become clearer. Walks and talks diverge or separate.




Oh, of course.

Politically speaking, the right will not be able to make anything out of it "issue-wise".  Some puritans on the right will simply stay home that vote for her, I suspect.


Sorry chump -- this isn't going to hurt anybody. Mark my words, President McCain...Even the baby (a human life at conception) is going to be well taken care of.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2008, 08:30:50 PM »
I guess we'll find out on November 2nd.

Idiot that would be Nov 4th

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2008, 09:35:43 PM »
I heard on the radio earlier that Obama said he would fire any campaign staffer who made Palin's daughter an issue.


Good on him.



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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 12:11:53 AM »
n Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret
By Nathan Thornburgh/WASILLA

So his name is Levi.

That's about the only thing that I didn't know about Bristol Palin's pregnancy. The rest of the details I picked up almost without trying, while talking about other things with townsfolk ? some who know the governor and her family well, some who don't. It was, more or less, an open secret. And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that.

I happen to agree.

This tiny town wedged in between the Chugach and Talkeetna mountain ranges has intrigued the whole country since John McCain's surprise Friday announcement that Wasilla's favorite daughter, Sarah Palin, would be his running mate. Sure, some of the interest was a prelude to attacks on Palin's readiness for national office. But Wasilla also offered a welcome chance to get specific about the geography of a politician. It's one of our most cherished myths, that a leader can come from somewhere and you can guess at their qualities not just by what they say, but where they live.

Well, here's the deal: small towns have their own value systems, and in this situation those values are more a lot more valid than the dispassionate, pushy inquisitiveness that political journalism encourages.

I just got off the phone with a longtime Wasilla resident. She had urged me to find time today to go up to Hatcher Pass?"the most beautiful place in the valley!"?when I mentioned that the story on Bristol's baby is now national news. Her voice slowed. "Oh," she said. "I'm so sorry. That's so unfair."

Wasilla seems at times to be utterly without guile. It's a large part of the town's charm, and it's exactly the quality that could make an unorthodox pick like Palin pay off. Don't get me wrong ? she's a tough politician with sharp enough elbows on her own. But still, she appears to be more steeped in the values of her hometown than any politician I've ever come across.

Maybe that means Palin is a little too much Northern Exposure for America?after all, her father's good friend Curt Menard happily showed me a picture of the governor as a high schooler in 1981, in a root cellar with family and friends, helping skin and cube and cure a whole moose. It's enough to make you almost miss fake hunters like John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

People in Wasilla are Alaskan tough, so not only does a thing like teen pregnancy not seem like anyone's damn business, but it's also not seen as the calamity so many people in the lower 48 might think it is. This is dangerous country ? it's not just the roughneck jobs on cable reality shows. It's real life here. I listened to the absolutely heartbreaking story of how the godfather of Track Palin, Sarah's oldest son, died in small plane crash just minutes after having dropped off four kids. Another family invited me into their home and told their incredible story; with one son in Iraq, their other son was working on a conveyor line in Anchorage, got caught in the belt and had his head partially crushed. He lived to stand across the kitchen table from me and his parents, looking fully healed just three months later, grinning at his dumb luck and wondering what comes next in life. "It makes you realize that a thing like a little teenage pregnancy isn't such a big deal," his mom said. "Bristol?and lots of other girl like her out there ? are going to be just fine."

If you haven't guessed yet, the people here are genuinely friendly. Even those in Palin's inner sanctum who have been told since Friday not to talk to reporters by McCain's media team, are almost apologetic that they can't be neighborly and chat, since you came all this way to little Wasilla. And those who can talk, do. All weekend they had the decency not to pretend that they didn't know the governor's eldest daughter was pregnant. But they also expected decency in return, that I wouldn't be the kind of person to make sport out of a young girl's slip.

The fact is, regardless of what you will hear over the next few days, Bristol's pregnancy is not a legitimate political issue. Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can't tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.

You can argue that it was hamhanded of the McCain campaign?they had to have known, right? ? to somehow let this drop just a few days after the announcement. Pregnancy does show, and it does have a ticking clock. The story was going to come out eventually.

As for the idea ? sure to be floated?that the avowedly anti-abortion Palin may have pressured her poor daughter to ruin her life by carrying an unwanted baby to term, I wouldn't bet on it. The Palin family seems to share the same pro-life values going back at least as far back as anyone here can remember, and it wouldn't be at all surprising if Bristol wore those values, however imperfectly, as her own. At least, that's what the town thinks. And Wasilla, above all, is pretty sensible.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837862,00.html

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 09:53:09 AM »
Here's generally how it's going down.  The conservative, pro-McCain-ticket Republicans, if the Nancy Thornburgh article is any clue, are portraying the teenage pregnancy (normally abhorrent to all good Republicans) as just wholesome, small-town Americana.  The good, solid, salt-of-the-earth Wasillans, band solidly together behind the Palin family and its errant daughter, and refuse to comment publicly on the lessons one can learn from all this.  The obvious negative inference is that anyone who DOES comment on it has to be the opposite of the Wasillans (at least as they are portrayed in the article,) meaning that they are shiftless, lazy, treacherous and un-American.

From which it appears that the Republicans are desperately afraid of this becoming an issue in the campaign.  It remains to be seen how Obama will react.  I think he did the right thing:  "Any staffer who makes an issue of this will be fired."  Obama couldn't say anything else.  Just as Bush himself could not Swift-Boat.  Which does not mean that Swift-Boating could not occur, just that it has to be done by persons totally unconnected to the Obama campaign.  Get to work, guys!!!  Republicans Swift-Boat, they build something as trivial as a Presidential BJ into an inquiry leading to perjury and impeachment; if Democrats hang back over something as trivial as a teenage pregnancy, they don't deserve to win because they don't know how to fight.

This pregnancy is a God-given opportunity to expose Ms. Palin's parenting skills as about equal in worth to McCain's wedding vows.  It is an on-going mystery to me how these pontificating experts on how others should lead their lives are themselves such monumental fuck-ups, who when exposed, benefit immensely from Democratic fools who think the "high road" is the road to the White House.  Also, the instant efforts at normalization, "We're all sinners."  Sorry pal, we are NOT all sinners, some of us have remained married and faithful for a lifetime and manage somehow not to lie and cheat on our spouses and the mothers of our children, some of us (hard to believe, eh) DO manage to raise daughters who avoid teenage pregnancy.  But it's funny how a lying cheating weasel gets away publishing a book called "Faith of Our Fathers" associating him forever with images of steadfastness and loyalty that stand unchallenged only because the Democrats can't ever seem to find their own Swift-Boaters.  Palin is probably immensely vulnerable becuase she's gotta be on the record a hundred times opposing sex ed in schools, opposing condom distribution in high schools, etc.

There are plenty of personal, vicious, racist attacks on Obama, including the highly successful "He's a Muslim" whispering campaign - - well, Demos, it's time to get started on McCain-Palin.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 10:08:52 AM »
portraying the teenage pregnancy (normally abhorrent to all good Republicans) as just wholesome, small-town Americana.

The only people I've seen decrying "teenage pregnancy" around here have been the left-leaning ones.
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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 10:30:04 AM »
I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies. 

I would like to remind all conservatives that teenage pregnancies are, on the whole, the result of teenage girls having unprotected sex with a person of the opposite sex.  I'm sure that's all well and fine since the age of consent in AK is 16.

Yes, no conservative has any problem with unwed teenagers having pregnancies outside of wedlock.

Wow!  I learn something new every day in here!  Thanks, conservatives, for clearing up that misconception!

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 10:43:08 AM »
I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies. 

Nothing like twisting the words of others.
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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 11:29:44 AM »
Here's generally how it's going down.  The conservative, pro-McCain-ticket Republicans, if the Nancy Thornburgh article is any clue, are portraying the teenage pregnancy as just wholesome, small-town Americana.  

And yet again with the false premise
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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2008, 11:41:05 AM »
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Palin is probably immensely vulnerable becuase she's gotta be on the record a hundred times opposing sex ed in schools, opposing condom distribution in high schools, etc.

Palin has no problems with contraception. She doesn't believe Abortion should be used as an alternative to birth control.

I don't think that differs much from the philosophy of most Americans.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2008, 12:08:08 PM »
I have to admit that after all these years noticing the abortion debate to find out that conservatives are so very much ok with teenage pregnancies. 

I would like to remind all conservatives that teenage pregnancies are, on the whole, the result of teenage girls having unprotected sex with a person of the opposite sex.  I'm sure that's all well and fine since the age of consent in AK is 16.

Yes, no conservative has any problem with unwed teenagers having pregnancies outside of wedlock.

Wow!  I learn something new every day in here!  Thanks, conservatives, for clearing up that misconception!


I agree with Mikey. The dems should make a huge issue of this.


Please.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 12:40:24 PM »
 :D
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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2008, 01:05:35 PM »
<<The only people I've seen decrying "teenage pregnancy" around here have been the left-leaning ones.>>

Obviously you're not a follower of James Dobson and Focus on the Family:
http://www.focusonthefamily.com/search.aspx/search?q=teen%20pregnancy

But OK, I forgot who I'm dealing with - - the religious right doesn't give a shit about teen pregnancy, they're much more focused on the decline of our spotted owl and snail darter populations.

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Re: Palin Family is All-American -- daughter, 17, pregnant
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2008, 01:27:34 PM »
I can only laugh at that.  It's like you think that all the people in the lower 48 will say, "Hey, age of consent in AK is 16, no biggie."

You're funny when you try sometimes.


The age of consent in most states is 16. And for thousands of years it was normal for 16 year old girls to get pregnant. It's only this century that it was thought of as "too young."
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For thousands of years, men beating up women was "normal". So was incest in much of the world.

Palin is an advocate of abstinance and an opponent of sex ed in schools. I think that at the very least, this suggests that neither view accomplishes its goal of women waiting until marriage before having sex. Or babies.

Palin does not have the experience needed to be president, and she is the VP candidate of the most ancient geezer ever to run for this office. This was a surprising choice, but hardly a wise one. Perhaps more of a wise-assed one. McCain has a long tradition of wiseassery
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