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Guvment rationing health care
« on: July 28, 2011, 07:26:38 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cataracts-hips-knees-and-tonsils-nhs-begins-rationing-operations-2327268.html

Hip replacements, cataract surgery and tonsil removal are among operations now being rationed in a bid to save the NHS money.

Two-thirds of health trusts in England are rationing treatments for "non-urgent" conditions as part of the drive to reduce costs in the NHS by £20bn over the next four years. One in three primary-care trusts (PCTs) has expanded the list of procedures it will restrict funding to in the past 12 months.

Examples of the rationing now being used include:

* Hip and knee replacements only being allowed where patients are in severe pain. Overweight patients will be made to lose weight before being considered for an operation.

* Cataract operations being withheld from patients until their sight problems "substantially" affect their ability to work.

* Patients with varicose veins only being operated on if they are suffering "chronic continuous pain", ulceration or bleeding.

* Tonsillectomy (removing tonsils) only to be carried out in children if they have had seven bouts of tonsillitis in the previous year.

* Grommets to improve hearing in children only being inserted in "exceptional circumstances" and after monitoring for six months.

* Funding has also been cut in some areas for IVF treatment on the NHS.

The alarming figures emerged from a survey of 111 PCTs by the health-service magazine GP, using the Freedom of Information Act.

Doctors are known to be concerned about how the new rationing is working – and how it will affect their relationships with patients.

Birmingham is looking at reducing operations in gastroenterology, gynaecology, dermatology and orthopaedics. Parts of east London were among the first to introduce rationing, where some patients are being referred for homeopathic treatments instead of conventional treatment.

Medway had deferred treatment for non-urgent procedures this year while Dorset is "looking at reducing the levels of limited effectiveness procedures".

Chris Naylor, a senior researcher at the health think tank the King's Fund, said the rationing decisions being made by PCTs were a consequence of the savings the NHS was being asked to find.

"Blunt approaches like seeking an overall reduction in local referral rates may backfire, by reducing necessary referrals – which is not good for patients and may fail to save money in the long run," he said. "There are always rationing decisions that have to go on in any health service. But at the moment healthcare organisations are under more pressure than they have been for a long time and this is a sign of what is happening across many areas of the NHS."

According to responses from the 111 trusts to freedom-of-information requests, 64 per cent of them have now introduced rationing policies for non-urgent treatments and those of limited clinical value. Of those PCTs that have not introduced restrictions, a third are working with GPs to reduce referrals or have put in place peer-review systems to assess referrals.

In the last year, 35 per cent of PCTs have added procedures to lists of treatments they no longer fund because they deem them to be non-urgent or of limited clinical value.

Some trusts expect to save over £1m by restricting referrals from GPs.

Chaand Nagpaul, a member of the British Medical Association's GPs committee, said he was concerned about PCTs applying different low-priority thresholds and rationing access to treatments on the basis of local policies.

He said the Government needed to decide on a consistent set of national standards of "low priority" treatments to help remove post-code lotteries in provision. "Patients and the public recognise that with limited resources we need to make the maximum health gains and so there needs to be prioritisation. What is inequitable is that different PCTs are applying different thresholds and criteria," he said.

A Department of Health spokesman said: "Decisions on the appropriate treatments should be made by clinicians in the local NHS in line with the best available clinical evidence and Nice [National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence] guidance. There should be no blanket bans because what is suitable for one patient may not be suitable for another."

Bill Walters, 75, from Berkshire, recently had to wait 30 weeks for a hip operation instead of the standard 18. "I believe that the Government is doing this totally the wrong way," he said.

Case study: 'They changed the rules to save money'

Anne Ball, 71, is a retired business consultant who used to work in electronics

"I have bilateral cataracts and under the original NHS criteria I was entitled to have at least one of mine treated – but then the West Sussex health authorities decided to change the threshold level to save money.

"It's like looking through gauze. Everything is foggy, and I've got quite a large 'floater' in my left eye. The consultant was as distressed as me, having to tell me, and he thought with my eyesight he wouldn't be able to function.

"I've appealed because the cataracts are having a significant impact on my quality of life and it's left me depressed and fearful about my low vision, which will continue to deteriorate. The new guidelines mean that people who fall below the standard set by the DVLA still do not qualify to have surgery. My vision is not good enough to drive at night.

"I'm not a cranky old lady. I'm the chair of a local village charity and I do a lot of computer work that is affected.

"It will just store up costs for future years, putting a strain on resources as more patients will end up in falls clinics. The longer you put it off the more complex the operation becomes and the riskier it is for the patient."

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Re: Guvment rationing health care
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 12:13:42 AM »
insane......and some people actually want this crap-ola here!
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 08:50:59 AM »
Note that the British elected a Conservative government.

This is what Conservatives do to health care.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 10:25:44 AM »
Note that the British elected a Conservative government.

This is what Conservatives do to health care.

Note: The Conservative (a grownup) is trying to manage a crises created by the children (liberals).

Note: The is a lesson for the US to Learn. Nothing is free in life and if it looks to good to be true then it is. Let's get back to free market health care to avoid this disaster down the road.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 11:33:31 AM »
The Conservatives in Britain are the ones doing the rationing, you moron.

Every developed nation that has some form of universal health care pays LESS and gets MORE than we do. There are dozens of different systems, none as expensive as ours, none that covers fewer people. And every year it costs more.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 12:10:43 PM »
I`m going to lose my company plan in 3 months and looked at my city`s universal. it`s not free just extremely cheap. $50 a month and $10 copay. at those prices i can`t worry about quality. but i still hear people complaining it should be free. people don`t understand this is pretty damn close to free. I stated it should never be free because then it`ll simply be unaffordable.

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Re: Guvment rationing health care
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 12:37:00 PM »
The Conservatives in Britain are the ones doing the rationing, you moron.

Every developed nation that has some form of universal health care pays LESS and gets MORE than we do. There are dozens of different systems, none as expensive as ours, none that covers fewer people. And every year it costs more.

You are blind. Do your homework teacher and learn WHY THEY ARE RATIONING GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE?

Is the government over there rationing toothpaste -- NO -- and you know why? Because they don't 'GIVE' it to the people, the people have to buy it you fucking idiot!

One of your problems is you lack the ability to grasp simple logic.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 01:24:21 PM »
You buy it from a well-organized, government supervised, non profit-oriented system, or you get screwed by private companies run amok. Hospitals that charge $30 for administering one aspirin and $500 for a "semi-private" room.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 01:31:22 PM »
You buy it from a well-organized, government supervised, non profit-oriented system, or you get screwed by private companies run amok. Hospitals that charge $30 for administering one aspirin and $500 for a "semi-private" room.

yeah, I know, why don't we have to pay $500 for toothpaste. Figure that one out grasshopper!!!

I can go to a hospital and negotiate a better rate for cash on a surgery right now, rather than having insurance pay 3 times as much..

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2011, 10:38:14 AM »
I can go to a hospital and negotiate a better rate for cash on a surgery right now, rather than having insurance pay 3 times as much..

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Let's see you have a stroke and THEN try your cleverness at negotiating.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2011, 11:36:40 AM »
I can go to a hospital and negotiate a better rate for cash on a surgery right now, rather than having insurance pay 3 times as much..

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Let's see you have a stroke and THEN try your cleverness at negotiating.

you are a moron

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2011, 03:31:37 PM »
Nonetheless, the most expensive procedures are quite often to recover the patient from unexpected emergencies in which he might be comatose or in too much pain to haggle over prices. A couple of serious kidney stones and most people would confess to shooting both JFK AND Oswald. One is unlikely to excel at negotiation when on is blinded by pain.

This is a fact that is unrelated to what you think of my opinion.


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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2011, 04:04:30 PM »
uhm
my icu bill cost 80k and my insurance got it down to 2k out of my pocket.

 how do you get a better deal without insurance?

I have serious doubts I can get anyone to treat me at a low cost.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2011, 04:58:02 PM »
uhm
my icu bill cost 80k and my insurance got it down to 2k out of my pocket.

 how do you get a better deal without insurance?

I have serious doubts I can get anyone to treat me at a low cost.

I do it with my dentist. that's why I dropped the insurance. it's cheaper to pay $62 out of my pocket 2 times a year for cleanings than pay $1,000 per year and get their so-called 2 free cleanings.

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2011, 05:14:04 PM »
You are probably right that you can do better without dental insurance.

This is DEFINITELY true if you go to Mexico for dental work. There is a whole town filled with good, cheap dentists in Los Algodones.

You only have 32 teeth, and dental insurance rarely covers 100%. No policy I had ever did.

It is rare that anyone dies of cavities.

Kidney, Heart, Lung, brain problems, people usually die from one of those.
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