Plane debating the Professor

[sirs]

In this case, xo plays the part of Hugely, while Plane is played by Mrs Kelly

It really is surreal.....Plane was providing actual facts, and the whole time xo would ignore those facts, to focus on the premise of widespread racism, that he keeps citing the Justice Dept conclusions, all the while ignoring the same Justice Dept conclusions on the actual Ferguson case

[Xavier_Onassis]

WHAT THE FRESH HELL ARE YOU BLATHERING ABOUT?

[sirs]

Try paying attention. ...you might learn something.   Maybe even about yourself

[Xavier_Onassis]

Learning something from you would be like catching fish in my bathtub, sirs.

[sirs]

And once again, it has nothing to do with me

[Plane]

  I like Meagan Kelly .

   I don't like the idea that there is a team facts vs a team emotion.

     That isn't how it should be.

[sirs]

You're right its not.  Hugely (xo) may be entitled to his opinion, but not his own set of facts.  It matters not that there may have been some racist elements within the police force, per the Justice Dept investigation.  The same Justice dept, and Police Dept Investigation, also concluded that the hands up down't shoot was a lie, and that the officer was justified in defending himself with lethal force

But far too often with leftists, emotion is used to try and trump facts....or at least get folks to dismiss them

[Plane]

  I don't think Hugley made his point well, but there is a point there to make.

    The Ferguson police had a long history of harassing the people and levying unreasonable fines.

     This does not excuse attempted murder , but it helps explain why the lie was more believable than the truth was.

      These police had lost the golden thread, without the very important element of trust and the public belief that the police are there to be helpful, it just didn't seem reasonable to assume the policeman innocent. So much experience in that community of the police just riding heard on the people and extorting money on behalf of the city. It hardly mattered to them what the circumstance of this one incident was.

     When we later see evidence that the policeman was really fighting for his life against an attacking thug, there was a real reluctance to see the evidence.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I don't have one damned thing to do with Hugely or Kelly.

In the Ferguson case, Michael Brown was a hothead  and an asshole, and the cop was simply incompetent.
To the people of Ferguson, the cops had essentially been acting as thugs , ripping off the citizens, for a long, long time.

Michael Brown did not deserve to die, but he does because he was an asshole.

The cop lost his job, which was fair, because he was simply incompetent. Hew put himself in a position in which Brown could grab for his gun. Hell, he was in a car. He could have called for backup, he could have grabbed Brown at some later date, accompanied by another officer or officers.

[Plane]

  He was not incompetent , he survived.

    What would competence have been?

      Calling for backup to issue a jaywalking ticket?

       Having his pistol drawn already before speaking to a black man?

        No.
         Michael Brown dived into the car to grasp at the pistol, this seems to be what the evidence indicates.

          The fault is not divided evenly in this case.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Yeah, all of that.

Supposedly he stopped Brown over Brown shoplifting,not jaywalking.
He was incompetent. Period.

[sirs]

I don't have one damned thing to do with Hugely or Kelly.

Never said you did.  Merely made a video connection of how the 2 of you would have debated this, given the individuals involved

In the Ferguson case, Michael Brown was a hothead  and an asshole, and the cop was simply incompetent.

And yet, had he complied with the officer's commands, instead of trying to attack the officer, and steal his gun, he'd be alive today

Michael Brown did not deserve to die, but he does because he was an asshole.

And one more time NO ONE THINKS HE DESERVED TO DIE, so why do you keep pushing that idiotic reference??  It makes you look all the more ignorant

The cop lost his job

Wrong again....Wilson resigned.  He wasn't fired, he didn't "lose his job", he left it on his terms...unless you have some proof he was fired.  Ball in your court

And when someone is coming at you, you have to react.....or you die

[Plane]

Yeah, all of that.

Supposedly he stopped Brown over Brown shoplifting,not jaywalking.
He was incompetent. Period.

All of that?

He should have approached with greater caution and greater force? Less trust?

Is this what BLM desires?

I do not see any sign of incompetence, not even slightly, I can't see what your definition of  competence requires.

Last I heard the stop was over improper walking on the road, the policeman had not heard yet about the shoplift and assault that had happened a few minutes before.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wilson was given the chance to resign. I imagine the paid him pretty well to just go away.
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He was certainly not safe in Ferguson nor capable of maintaining the respect that a cop needs to do his job.

Had he not resigned, he would have been canned. There was an extensive article about him in the New Yorker.

[sirs]

Opinion not withstanding,  he didn't lose his job, as you claimed.