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"A Sickness of the Public Mind"
« on: August 06, 2015, 05:24:53 PM »
"A Sickness of the Public Mind"

The Battle Flag and the Attack on Western Culture

Boyd D. Cathey
 • July 31, 2015




Too much misinformation has been generated recently about Confederate flags and monuments. A great amount of it floating about on the Internet is as palatable and useful as what my neighbor cleans up out of his horse paddock each week—although what my neighbor cleans out actually has a better and less pungent odor about it than most of the shoddy, culturally Marxist ideological agenda pieces I’ve read.
 
Back in mid-June, after the Charleston shootings, the frenzied hue and cry went up and any number of accusations and charges were made against historic Confederate symbols, in particular, the Confederate Battle Flag, which is not as some supposedly “informed” writers called it, “the Stars and Bars.” (The Stars and Bars is a completely different flag with a totally different design—this error is an indication of those writers’ supine ignorance).
 
The best way to examine these charges in a short column is point by point, briefly and succinctly.
 
First, the demand was made that the Battle Flag needs to come down, that images of that flag need to be banned and suppressed, because, whatever its past may have been, it has now become in the current context a “symbol of hate” and “carried by racists,” that it “symbolizes racism.”
 
The problem with this argument is both historical and etiological.
 
Historically, the Battle Flag, with its familiar Cross of St. Andrew, was and is a square ensign that was carried by Southern troops during the War Between the States. It was not the national flag of the Confederacy that flew over slavery, but, rather, was carried by soldiers, 90-plus per cent who did not own slaves (which was roughly comparable to percentages in various regiments of the Union army, which had slave holding soldiers from Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri in its ranks; indeed, General Grant’s wife, Julia Dent Grant, owned slaves).
 
By contrast, the American flag, the “Stars and Stripes,” not only flew over slavery for seventy-eight years, it flew over the importation, the selling and the purchase of slaves, and the breaking up of slave families. Additionally, the Stars and Stripes flew over the infamous “Trail of Tears,” at the Sand Creek massacre of innocent Native Americans, later at the Wounded Knee massacre, over the brutal internment of thousands of Nisei Japanese American citizens in concentration camps during World War II, and during the action at My Lai during the Vietnam War.
 
Although there are some zealots who now suggest doing away with the American flag because of these connections, I would suggest that most of the pundits on the Neoconservative Fox News and amongst the Republican governors presently clamoring for banning the Battle Flag would not join them in this demand. Yet, if we examine closely the history of both banners from the radically changing contexts that are used to attack the one, should we not focus as well on the history of other banner, as well? And, pray tell, if only a particular snap shot context is used to judge such symbols, is any symbol of America’s variegated history safe from the hands of those who may dislike or despise this or that symbol?
 
Second, a comparison has been made between the Battle Flag and the Nazi flag (red background, with a white circle and a black swastika centered). Again, this comparison is ridiculous and demonstrates an utter lack of historical acumen on the part of those making it: the Nazi flag was created precisely to represent the Nazi Party and its ideology. The Battle Flag was designed to represent the historic Celtic and Christian origin of many Southerners and served as a soldier’ flag.
 
Third, the charge has been made that we should ban Confederate symbols because they represent “treason against the Federal government.” That is, those Southerners who took up arms in 1861 to defend their states, their homes, and their families, were engaged in “rebellion” and were “traitors” under Federal law.
 
Again, such arguments fail miserably on all counts. Some writers have suggested that Robert E. Lee, in particular, was a “traitor,” that he violated his solemn military oath to uphold and defend the Constitution by his actions. But what those writers fail to note is that Lee had formally resigned from the US Army and his commission before undertaking his new assignment to defend his home state of Virginia, which by then had seceded and re-vindicated its original independence.
 
And that brings us to point four: the right of secession and whether the actions of the Southern states, December 1860-May 1861, could be justified under the US Constitution.
 
One of the best summaries of the prevalent Constitutional theory at that time has been made recently by black scholar, professor, and prolific author Dr. Walter Williams. I quote from one his columns:
 

During the 1787 Constitutional Convention, a proposal was made that would allow the federal government to suppress a seceding state. James Madison rejected it, saying, ‘A union of the states containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a state would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound.’
 
In fact, the ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island explicitly said they held the right to resume powers delegated should the federal government become abusive of those powers. The Constitution never would have been ratified if states thought they could not regain their sovereignty — in a word, secede.
 
On March 2, 1861, after seven states seceded and two days before Abraham Lincoln’s inauguration, Sen. James R. Doolittle of Wisconsin proposed a constitutional amendment that read, “No state or any part thereof, heretofore admitted or hereafter admitted into the union, shall have the power to withdraw from the jurisdiction of the United States.”
 
Several months earlier, Reps. Daniel E. Sickles of New York, Thomas B. Florence of Pennsylvania and Otis S. Ferry of Connecticut proposed a constitutional amendment to prohibit secession. Here’s a question for the reader: Would there have been any point to offering these amendments if secession were already unconstitutional? [my emphasis added]
 
Let me add that an examination of the ratification processes for Georgia, South Carolina, and in my own North Carolina in the late 1780s, reveal very similar discussions: it was the independent states themselves that had created a Federal government (and not the reverse, as Abe Lincoln erroneously and incredibly suggested), and it was the various states that granted the Federal government certain very limited and specifically enumerated powers, reserving the vast remainder for themselves. As any number of the Founders indicated (cf. Elliott’s Debates and voluminous correspondence on this point), there simply would not have been any United States if the states, both north and south, had believed that they could not leave it for just cause.
 
Interestingly, in my many years of research I can find only one, possibly two, American presidents who openly and frankly denied the right of secession (of course, there is John Quincy Adams, but carefully). Even in March of 1861, lame duck President James Buchanan in his farewell address, while deploring secession in the strongest terms, stated frankly that, under the Constitution he had “no power to halt or interdict it.” Former President John Tyler served in the Confederate Congress, and former President Franklin Pierce, in his famous Concord, New Hampshire, address, July 4, 1863, joined Buchanan in decrying the efforts to suppress the secession of the Southern states:
 

“Do we not all know that the cause of our casualties is the vicious intermeddling of too many of the citizens of the Northern States with the constitutional rights of the Southern States, cooperating with the discontents of the people of those states? Do we not know that the disregard of the Constitution, and of the security that it affords to the rights of States and of individuals, has been the cause of the calamity which our country is called to undergo?”
 
More, during the antebellum period William Rawle’s pro-secession text on Constitutional law, A View of the Constitution of the United States (1825,) was used at West Point as the standard text on the US Constitution. And on several occasions the Supreme Court, itself, affirmed this view. In The Bank of Augusta v. Earl (1839), the Court wrote in an 8-1 decision:
 

“The States…are distinct separate sovereignties, except so far as they have parted with some of the attributes of sovereignty by the Constitution. They continue to be nations, with all their rights, and under all their national obligations, and with all the rights of nations in every particular; except in the surrender by each to the common purposes and object of the Union, under the Constitution. The rights of each State, when not so yielded up, remain absolute.”
 
A review of the Northern press at the time of the Secession conventions finds, perhaps surprisingly to those who wish to read back into the past their own statist ideas, a similar view: few newspapers took the position that the Federal government had the constitutional right to invade and suppress states that had decided to secede.
 
Indeed, were it not the New England states in 1814-1815 who made the first serious effort at secession during the War of 1812, to the point that they gathered in Hartford to discuss actively pursuing it? And during the pre-war period various states asserted in one form or another similar rights.
 
One last point regarding the accusation of “treason”: consider that after the conclusion of the War, the Southern states were put under military authority, their civil governments dissolved, and each state had to be re-admitted to the Union. Now, unless the logic I learned in university is wrong, you cannot be “re-admitted” to something unless you have been out of it. And if you were out of it, legally and constitutionally, as the Southern states maintained (and many Northern writers acknowledged), then you cannot be in any way guilty of “treason.”
 
The major point that opponents of Confederate symbols assert is that the panoply of those monuments, flags, plaques, and other reminders actually represent a defense of slavery. And since we as a society have supposedly advanced progressively in our understanding, it is both inappropriate and hurtful to continue to display them.
 
Again, there are various levels of response. Historically, despite the best efforts of the ideologically-driven Marxist historical school (e.g., Eric Foner) to make slavery the only issue underlying the War Between the States, there is abundant evidence—while not ignoring the significance of slavery—to indicate more profound economic reasons why that war occurred (cf. writers Thomas di Lorenzo, Charles Adams, David Gordon, Jeffrey Hummel, William Marvel, Thomas Fleming, et al). Indeed, it goes without saying that when hostilities began, anti-slavery was not a major reason at all in the North for prosecuting the war; indeed, it never was a major reason, as Lincoln made explicit to editor Horace Greeley of The New York Tribune a short time prior to the Emancipation Proclamation (which only applied to states in the South where the Federal government had no authority, but not to the states such as Maryland and Kentucky, where slavery existed, but were safely under Union control).
 
Here is what he wrote to Greeley on August 22, 1862:
 

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.”
 
The Emancipation Proclamation was a desperate political ploy by Lincoln to churn up sagging support for a war that appeared stale-mated at the time. Indeed, Old Abe had previously called for sending blacks back to Africa and the enforcement of laws that made Jim Crow look benign. He knew fully well that “freeing the slaves” had no support in the North and was not the reason for the conflict.
 
Professor di Lorenzo, returning afresh to original sources, focuses on the deeper, all-encompassing economic motives:
 

“Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports [monies that supplied a major portion of Federal revenues], he kept his promise of ‘invasion and bloodshed’ and waged war on the Southern states.”
 
Indeed, late in the conflict the Confederate government authorized the formation of black units to fight for the Confederacy, with manumission to accompany such service. As many as 30,000 black men fought for the Confederacy. Would a society ideologically intent on preserving in toto the peculiar institution as the reason for war, even in such dire straits, enact such a measure?
 
It is, of course, easy to read back into a complex context then what appears so right and natural to us now; but it does a disservice to history, as the late Professor Eugene Genovese, perhaps the finest historian of the Old South, fully understood. Understanding the intellectual struggle in which many Southerners engaged over the issue of slavery, he cautioned readers about rash judgments based on politically correct presentist ideas of justice and right, and in several books and numerous essays defended those leaders of the Old South who were faced with difficult decisions and a nearly intractable context.
 
And more, he understood as too many writers fail to do today, that selecting this or that symbol of our collective history, singling it out for our smug disapprobation and condemnation, may make us feel good temporarily, but does nothing to address the deeper problems afflicting our benighted society.
 
As I have written elsewhere about Dylann Roof, the lone gunman responsible for the Charleston shootings: if a rabid fox comes out of the woods and bites someone, you don’t burn the woods down, you stop the fox.
 
In the United States today we live in a country characterized by what historian Thomas Fleming has written afflicted this nation in 1860—“a disease of the public mind,” that is, a collective madness, lacking in both reflection and prudential understanding of our history. Too many authors advance willy-nilly down the slippery slope—thus, if we ban the Battle Flag, why not destroy all those monuments to Lee and Jackson. And why stop there? Washington and Jefferson were slave holders, were they not? Obliterate and erase those names from our lexicon, tear down their monuments! Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, Fort Gordon? Change those names, for they remind us of Confederate generals! Let’s dig up Nathan Bedford Forest! Amazon sells “Gone with Wind?” Well, to quote an inane writer at the supposedly “conservative,” Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post, ban it, too!
 
It is, as I say, a slippery slope, but an incline that in fact represents a not-so-hidden agenda, a cultural Marxism, that seeks to take advantage of the genuine horror at what happened in Charleston to advance its own designs which are nothing less than remaking completely what remains of the American nation. And, since it is the South that has been most resistant to such impositions and radicalization, it is the South, the historic South, which enters the cross hairs as the most tempting target. And it is the Battle Flag—true, it has been misused on occasion—which is not just the symbol of Southern pride, but becomes the target of a broad, vicious, and zealous attack on Western Christian tradition, itself. Those attacks, then, are only the opening salvo in this renewed cleansing effort, and those who collaborate with them, good intentions or not, collaborate with the destruction of our historic civilization. For that they deserve our utmost scorn and our most vigorous and steadfast opposition.
 
http://www.unz.com/article/a-sickness-of-the-public-mind/
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2015, 08:48:11 PM »
    I think this essay is largely true , but it isn't the history that is popular or wanted.

     I should not remonstrate against retroactive revisionist retelling of history that plays up the favorite side and demonizes the opposite  both beyond reality.

    Not , unless I am willing to eschew that same thing myself.

    I hope I am .

     Slavery was not the single issue of the Civil War , but it was a very important issue and the only issue that came out improved by the war , so minimizing its importance needs a limit.

     In theory Lincoln was a terrible president , he really had the choice to fight or not tho choosing not to fight would have made the secession succeed. Fighting preserved the Union at very great cost and at even greater risk, it could have been worse, it nearly was an expensive fight that the North could have lost along with loosing all those lives.
  So... how is Lincoln one of the most admired and beloved of all our presidents? Was his choice right after all?

      I am not and don't want to be ashamed in the least of my ancestors who tried to preserve their rights and freedoms , but that they were substantially wrong in important ways is a fact, and their success would have been a disaster for freedom and rights in general.

      I can fly a Confederate flag , even though I am glad the Confederacy lost , and don't mean to denigrate anyone.
      I can't fly a Confederate flag and be understood as I wish , the ideas I wish it represented are contaminated or even obliterated by the gunk dumped on it.

     Symbols mean what it is agreed that they mean, where the facts don't fit , the majority rules and the symbol is what the beholders say it is.

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 09:05:37 PM »
You can fly the Confederate flag all you wish. But what it means to you is not going to be understood by most people.

When I was in  high school in Missouri, at pep rallies, the band would play "Dixie" and the students would stand up and put their hands on their hearts. Not because of Southern Pride, but because it pissed off the Principal, whose name was Pulaski, a humorous skinny guy that no one seemed to like.

We did not know this, but he was most pissed off at the band teacher, who he had told not to play "Dixie" at all.

The student body was about 7-8% "Colored". One night before the game, a Black student who could run faster with a football than anyone, blew up after the band played Dixie before the game, and said if he heard it one more time, he was off the team.  The jocks needed him to win, and told all their friends to not stand up when they heard "Dixie". And only about a dozen kids stood up, looked around, and sat down.

This was in 1957 or 1958.

In 1959 they had a new band teacher, and he played "On Wisconsin". instead of "Dixie".

I don't think many of the White students thought about that song being offensive, or standing up when they heard it doubly offensive.



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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 10:40:42 PM »
Hmmm...

   I really don't want to cause offense , but I am a southerner and don't want to be told that I am in essence offensive , I don't want my children and grandchildren raised in shame of their very bones.

   I used to enjoy the solidarity and brio that only a redneck can really understand, but is it really required that I must hate someone else to belong comfortably to my own caste?

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 05:34:40 PM »
The fact is that the South was simply on the wrong side of history. Just like the Romans in Jesus' time, or the Huns, or the Ottomans, the Mongols, the Tsars, the French under Napoleon and the Germans under the Kaiser and Herr Adolph. Hitler is particularly despicable because he used high technology for evil. The others had less high technology.

You are not responsible for your ancestors' behavior, and neither am I. You can still be proud of grits, fried chicken, chicken fried everything and barbecue.
The Confederate flag symbolizes racism and slavery. There is no way of changing that.

The Germans gave up the swastika and Black letter script,  "Gott mit Uns" and Aryan Supremacy.
I think the era of castes in this country is dying. It is certainly not the wave of the future.

Here is the way history works, according to Hegel:   Action, creates reaction and eventually they combine to create a syntheses, which becomes the new action. That is the historic dialectic, and is pretty hard to refute. Change is an unending constant process, and the dialectic is how it changes.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2015, 06:47:23 PM »
   Certainly the Confederate Battle flag need not be specifically a symbol of racism, that is not what it was originally and so its being the best symbol of racism is itself a change, is this change a ratchet , or can it improve as easily as it worsened?

    If the dialectic includes a synthesis of falsehood , it isn't a mistake to continue the momentum willfully?

     I think that the abandonment of this symbol will very likely happen , but that this is a useless event .


      The same people will have some symbol , and whatever it is will be attacked in the same manner.  Those aggrieved with this symbol will recalibrate and restart on the new one.

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2015, 08:05:10 PM »
The Confederacy itself was based on slavery. The governments of every Southern State was run by a plantation aristocracy before the Civil War and during the years of the Confederacy, and the flag was a symbol of that rebellion.

Only the Bonnie Blue Flag was a realistic banner: it had one star to represent one state. It was not original with South Carolina, though.

The other Confederate flags had thirteen stars, but only eleven states actually seceded. Delaware and Maryland did not try to secede, though they were slave states. Kentucky and Missouri tried, but the state governments were overrun by Union troops. Of course, the number thirteen was mystically popular, because there were thirteen original colonies. Thirteen was thought to somehow be lucky, because of its tradition of being unlucky.

The saltire (X cross) was used because it was associated with the Scottish cross. Scotland was rural and organized by clans, each clan ruled by an elite family. England was industrial and less clannish. Sir Walter Scott was very very popular among Southerners. The symbol of a burning cross is described in Sir Walter Scott's novel Ivanhoe: the cross on the spire of a Scottish Presbyterian Church, cruelly burned by evil Englishmen in a raid.

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2015, 11:47:27 PM »
  That is true , but that slavery was important and bad and ingrained being true , you don't have to make it seem as if slavery was the only thing that ever happened here.
   

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2015, 12:37:06 AM »
I did not say that slavery was the only thing about the South, but it was the basis on which the economy functioned, growing cotton for export, and the plantation owners were the main leaders of the South and the entire governmental structure was organized for their benefit.

The poor whites were a majority of the population, but they had very little influence. The free Black people has no influence at all, and neither did the slaves.

When slavery was ended, the economy of the South collapsed, and recovered very, very slowly. It was rather like modern South Africa after apartheid, except worse.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2015, 03:49:36 AM »
I simply treat the flag like the word chinaman most people will see no harm in it but the people who actually feel physical pain and possibly threat of death will simply never forget.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2015, 06:14:27 AM »
  May I treat disrespect to my people as you treat the word "Chinaman"?

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2015, 10:16:08 AM »
How the Hell is it disrespectful to  remove a flag last used officially over 150 years ago from public places?

There is not one Southerner who fought under that stupid flag.

If you consider this disrespectful, you are too damned sensitive. I had ancestors on both sides of the Civil War. I have visited Andersonville, Bull Run, Gettysburg and several other places where Americans fought and died pretty much for no good reason other than the ability to think logically. The Civil War is over.

There is a story that once Mark Twain was at a dinner party, and a woman there let out a noisy fart, after which she scooted her chair so that it made a noise, and Twain said, "Madame, we all heard what you did; but there is no good reason to attempt to find a rhyme for it."

The Civil War is like that: an unwanted indication  of gross American stupidity.  It looks moronic to try to find a rhyme for it.

Take the damn flag down and let it be.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2015, 10:44:30 AM »
The treatment would acknowledgement that it exist and not to consider the offense trivial people actually physically harmed.

You can wear and display it but not to teach people by pain how to behave.

The flag only became a symbol of racism in the sixty and the change came from a smal group of people displayed it while harming others.

Chinamen is a uniquely asian American offense it has little effect to asians abroad but today it grew to offend asians in general. I was quite surprised george takai is constantly refered as chinaman on radio.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2015, 11:31:49 AM »
I do not think that the word Chinaman was intentionally harmful.  In English, we use the terms, Englishman, Scotsman, Frenchman, Dutchman, Welshman, Irishman and there are no complaints from the English, Scots, Dutch, Welsh and Irish.

These terms were used to describe ships in the days of the pirates as well as people: The Flying Dutchman, for example, was the boat of Victor Hughes. There are legends about this boat as some sort of floating ghost.

Because of flukes in the language, we do not say Germanman, Swissman, Polishman, Russianman.

I think that if the words in Chinese for "Chinese man" are translated word for word to English, it comes out as Chinaman.

There may be that vague concept that a China man is a piece of pottery: a man sculpted in bone china. (also called porcelain).
China is considered as a better quality of pottery than ironstone or regular clay pots.

I think that it was later that the term was regarded as offensive.

Americans cannot distinguish between Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.
I doubt that Chinese can distinguish between Russians and Germans, Italians and Spaniards.

Takei is not the sort of name that Americans expect Japanese to have: Yamaguchi, Yamamoto, Kawasaki, Yamaha sound more Japanese.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2015, 01:39:54 PM »
The word evolved pretty parallel to nigger to the point the subject unintentionally taught to regard it as a negative term.

If you only hear a word when you get punched in the face you will be taught its a negative term. I've asked many of my friends what is the mostly likely word you'll hear before getting punch no matter what. Chinaman The top spot. The term actually isnt used much put it still pops up in heated situation. So its more subconscious than conscience