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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on May 02, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
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Dumping the corpse in the sea
My imagination is at work here: Did they dump the body at sea (in Leon Klinghoffer fashion), as I would have done, or did they give the bastard a proper and respectful burial?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDLY7dlbcSw&feature=player_embedded#at=11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDLY7dlbcSw&feature=player_embedded#at=11)
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Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0AXjAaf3g#ws)
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Buried at sea eh.
Doesn't that raise all kinds of red flags?
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Buried at sea eh. Doesn't that raise all kinds of red flags?
like what?
if you mean religious custom...probably...somebody always gonna bitch
if you mean some will deny the operation took place
i am sure they took video of the operation, his death, his dead body, and his burial.
in today's world...of wiki-leaks ect.....I am sure it will get out
but the JFK Jr. videos have not leaked as far as I know
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Buried at sea eh.
Doesn't that raise all kinds of red flags?
It did for me from the get-go. Didn't Obama learn anything from the Birth Cert fiasco? Something this important you would think they would have really thought it through!!
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why give the whackjobs the chance to have some huge
arm waving - crying - angry - idolatry - funeral for this butcher bin laden?
then build a huge shrine at his grave?
sure it'd be nice to have the body to parade as proof
but there is a huge downside to that too
i think Obama probably did the right thing by
feeding bin laden to the sharks as soon as possible
was probably the best of bad choices....
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Buried at sea eh.
Doesn't that raise all kinds of red flags?
It did for me from the get-go. Didn't Obama learn anything from the Birth Cert fiasco? Something this important you would think they would have really thought it through!!
I agree.
When the news first broke my initial thought was it isn't October and its the wrong year.
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It makes perfect sense to give Bin Laden a proper Muslim burial at sea. The goal is to get rid of him without causing riots, chaos and disturbances, and in such a way as there is no shrine, no place to give any movement a place to focus on. A burial at sea accomplishes all of this. There are no relics, nothing to build a shrine to. It is the quickest and best way to have Bin Laden forgotten.
Muslims die all the time going and coming from the hajj, and are buried at sea. To defile the corpse could incite riots and disturbances in places like Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. It costs lives and money to put down riots and such. This was well thought out by people, probably in the Defense Dept. who understand how Muslims think and act.
I realize that it would make guys like Kramer feel really macho to kick the corpse, pee on his face, maybe take a dump on it, but suppose that it this were done it would cause a riot and thousands would die, and US-Pakistani relations were ruined for decades? Would it be worth it then?
I think not.
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Buried at sea eh.
Doesn't that raise all kinds of red flags?
It did for me from the get-go. Didn't Obama learn anything from the Birth Cert fiasco? Something this important you would think they would have really thought it through!!
I agree.
When the news first broke my initial thought was it isn't October and its the wrong year.
True, timing is everything! Whilst the main stream press is orgasmic over this my feeling is it won't make much difference in the 2012 election. And let's face it there is plenty of opportunity left for Obama to mess up more stuff by election time! I feel a little bad for Bush But know down inside that it's the extension of the Bush Policies that allowed this to happen.
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I am pretty sure that offering the body to the Saudis and having them reject it was all planned in advance as well, since the Saudis do not want hajj pilgrims popping over to pay respects to Bin Laden's memory.
Burial at sea was clearly the way to go.
As for Iran, there are about two dozen things that I can think of more important than deposing the mullahs. The US cannot afford to change for government of a nation of 77 million people. While I agree the mullahs and Ahmedinejad are all first class assholes, getting rid of them is a job for the Iranians to do. The rulers of Zimbabwe and Myanmar/Burma are a lot more ghastly to their citizens than the mullahs, anyway,and constant war in places like Congo-Kinshasa are even more oppressive.
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It makes perfect sense to give Bin Laden a proper Muslim burial at sea. The goal is to get rid of him without causing riots, chaos and disturbances, and in such a way as there is no shrine, no place to give any movement a place to focus on. A burial at sea accomplishes all of this. There are no relics, nothing to build a shrine to. It is the quickest and best way to have Bin Laden forgotten.
Muslims die all the time going and coming from the hajj, and are buried at sea. To defile the corpse could incite riots and disturbances in places like Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. It costs lives and money to put down riots and such. This was well thought out by people, probably in the Defense Dept. who understand how Muslims think and act.
I realize that it would make guys like Kramer feel really macho to kick the corpse, pee on his face, maybe take a dump on it, but suppose that it this were done it would cause a riot and thousands would die, and US-Pakistani relations were ruined for decades? Would it be worth it then?
I think not.
It makes perfect sense to give Bin Laden a proper Muslim burial at sea.
In your mind has Obama ever not done something that doesn't make perfect sense?
So anyway, now Obama owns this, and if regular guys like BT & me (side bar: two good looking nice guys I might add) are thinking the burial at sea was dumb then you can bet your sweet bippie that 87% of America is thinking it too!! ROYAL SCREW-UP!!
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You are not a "regular guy".
This was an excellent idea. There is no funeral, there is no burial, there is no shrine, there are no relics. They did not cremate him, which would be offensive to Muslim sensibilities.
Note that the Tunisian who set himself on fire became a major martyr, and the entire regime falls.
Hamas provokes the Israelis, the Israelis kill some Hamas guy and they have a funeral, which turns into a riot, ending in more deaths and more funerals and more riots.
That is clearly not a solution. Burial at Guantanamo would be weird. Even if no American likes Bin Laden, he is a hero to some, and the less he becomes a martyr (they are apesh!t for martyrs) the better.
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You are not a "regular guy".
I beg your pardon, how would you know? I happen to be very regular...
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Hopefully they kept forensic evidence to verify independently that they got the right guy.
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Hopefully they kept forensic evidence to verify independently that they got the right guy.
yeah but that's still not as good as a body, but better than nothing. Castration might be viable...
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pretty sure this needs to done proper.
ex. we`ve seen vids of our guys corpse treated badly. we didn`t exactly react well to that. i very much doubt anyone said
" by gone"
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They say they have the DNA, and I see no reason why they would lie.
By "regular guy", I was not referring to your bowels, Kramer.
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They say they have the DNA, and I see no reason why they would lie.
By "regular guy", I was not referring to your bowels, Kramer.
My bowels thank you.
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Castration might be viable...
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Explain how castrating a corpse would not be truly stupid.
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Castration might be viable...
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Explain how castrating a corpse would not be truly stupid.
I was being facetious. I hope I don't have to explain what facetious means.
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Somehow, I do not find the image of castrating a corpse to be facetious. Neither corpses nor castrations strike me as amusing.
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They say they have the DNA, and I see no reason why they would lie.
LOL......yet if this were the Bush administration, there'd be howls of such questioning
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They say they have the DNA, and I see no reason why they would lie.
LOL......yet if this were the Bush administration, there'd be howls of such questioning
he's child-like when it comes to the evils of the Democrat Party
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Okay, why would they lie about having the DNA ? It is not difficult to get DNA.
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Who said they are lying about it??
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You make no sense. Read the rest of the discussion.
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I have....perhaps you should.
Xo: Okay, why would they lie about having the DNA ? It is not difficult to get DNA.
So, who's claimed or even implied that the current administration is lying about the DNA, to prompt you to ask your above question??
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I have....perhaps you should.
Xo: Okay, why would they lie about having the DNA ? It is not difficult to get DNA.
So, who's claimed or even implied that the current administration is lying about the DNA, to prompt you to ask your above question??
Did they not lie about ObamaCare? Of course it's possible they are lying. They have proven to lie about many things so why should we exclude the possibility they wouldn't lie about this? AS A MATTER OF FACT DETAILS ARE ALREADY CHANGING, like UBL did not use his wife as a human shield for one example.
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ok, I guess I got my answer. 8)
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ok, I guess I got my answer. 8)
The story that Obama, whoops I mean Osama had a gun was false too.
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It would seem so
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i am not sure anyone is lying per se
plus if they are lying, they could have good reason to do so
but who knows....we probably wont ever know every single detail
two people at the same event sometimes see or remember things slightly different
some of the stuff coming out really begs the question "why are they going public with this"?
i am sure conflicting details of which there has already been much of....will continue.
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I'll go on record....I don't think they are lying on the DNA. That implies a nefarious agenda and timing for this "death". If Bin Laden weren't dead, this would be one of the biggest political blunders in all of history, once he showed himself again, via some video. If he were dead at some earlier time, and only now bringing out his death, its piss poor judgement on the timing. You'd want to pull out his death sometime in the spring of next year.
Naaaa, we got him, and like C is referencing, details will be sketchy for a while
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I imagine that within a month or so, there will be a book or two outlining the entire mission, with reprints of the juicier parts in Time, Newsweek or some other US magazine. This is rather like a US version of Entebbe.