"Who's on 1st?"

[Christians4LessGvt]

Let's try again. What makes a good muslim?

Why try again when it has already been answered?
Humans can think anything they want.
Bin Laden thinks "good Muslims" fly airplanes into the World Trade Center.
Some Taliban Muslims think blowing up girl's schools is a "good" thing to do.
The problem you have in trying to give cover to the Muslim problem is
the score. No other religion in current times has anywhere near the problem
of people claiming the religion as their primary reason for killing so many people.
You attempt to give cover by implied equatement. There is no equatement.
When thousands of instances of violence are listed whose perpetrators claim
Islam is their motivation you come up with some rare event of Jewish and/or
Christians committing violence in the name of their religion and pretend "well
see everybody does it". That is a digrace, because it comes off with an extremely
warped sense of what reality really is. The corpse count isnt even close, but yet
you pretend "everybody does it".

BT will you admit Islam has a huge problem unlike any other religion in current time within
it midst of hardcore violent extremist?

[Christians4LessGvt]

"BSB: Referring to the center as a Mosque is as disingenuous
as referring to someones home as a latrine because it has a bathroom in it.
Sirs: so...lemme see if I have this straight...you think of a Mosque as ...... a bathroom??  a toilet??

Number one BSB is wrong because it would be ingenious to refer to someones house
as a latrine if that person's primary motivation and goals in life were latrines and the
spread of appreciation of latrines. I could envision a famous chef's house being referred
to as "a great kitchen". No....building a 9-11 Mosque and then surrounding it with exercise
equipment, banquet halls, and daycares still doesn't hide the fact of what it is...which is
a disgrace!

Number two...although I can't remember the sequence of the thread it appears to me
SIRS was being sarcastic or humorous....maybe both. Others can joke just not SIRS!
XO can insult and the silence is deafening, Michael Tee could insult and the silence was
pretty much deafening.....but low and behold lets dig up stuff and guilt trip SIRS!

What was striking about this exchange was:
The gross misrepresentation of what BSB meant
and that it was the second to last post of his in this forum.

Oh boo whooo someones view gets taken wrong in a political forum
and they run away for tenth time.....jezzzz this guilt trip is killing me!
It's been obvious for a long time BSB is a powder-keg that can't deal
with people with opposing views for extended periods....he gets pissed
when people return fire and then he runs away and hides for awhile.

The members of this forum, a jury of your peers if you will, can decide whether
your misrepresentations rise to the level of dishonesty. Your denials notwithstanding.

I may not always agree with SIRS, but I think he is one of the most honest
members of this forum.

[sirs]

Thanks C, I make every effort to try to be, Bt's painting efforts not withstanding.  Notice who never took any effort to answer the question I posed in this thread, but all the effort taken to try and paint me as something, I'm not     

[Plane]

BSB: Referring to the center as a Mosque is as disingenuous as referring to someone's home as a latrine because it has a bathroom in it.

Sirs: so...lemme see if I have this straight...you think of a Mosque as ...... a bathroom??  a toilet??

What was striking about this exchange was:

The gross misrepresentation of what BSB meant
and that it was the second to last post of his in this forum.

The members of this forum, a jury of your peers if you will, can decide whether your misrepresentations rise to the level of dishonesty. Your denials notwithstanding.

  Ok ,but what if someone said that is a house not a latrine , there is no latrine in it!

  If the Mousque is a subset of the building it is still a mosque there, I wouldn't say that you are being false , you have only fallen for a logical fallacy.

[Christians4LessGvt]

  Ok ,but what if someone said that is a house not a latrine , there is no latrine in it!

I would examine the facts.
Islamic Zealots perpetrated 9/11.
The Sept 11 terrorist's motivation was Islam.
The terrorist are following radical Islam.
But it is still related to Islam.....not Hindu, not Christianity, not Judism...ISLAM!
No matter how hard people try to separate Islam's problem from 9-11...reality is what it is.
It is an insult to the victims & their families to put any Islamic shrine near ground zero.
The Sept 11 Ground Zero area is sacred ground.
There are millions of other places to put an Islamic Center, Mosque, Cultural Center...whateva!
And we are to think they want to put it there by accident?
They are taking cover under the auspices of a Islamic cultural center
The definition of a "mosque" is: "a place of worship for followers of Islam".
Are we to believe no worship of Islam will go on in this huge facility?
Once the people behind this saw the uproar they quickly adjusted on
how the facility should be "sold" to the American Public. But even as late
as May 2010 CBS News was calling it a "Mosque".
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10578211
that is until the political correctness and strategy took over.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Sept 11 Ground Zero area is scared ground.

It is absolutely terrified ground.

But you really mean, "sacred ground", although I am not sure how many people have to die in a place and in what way that determines at what point a site becomes "sacred", which seems to be a rather mystical and vague term. Perhaps you could explain what your parameters for sacredness are.

Again, I fail to see any problem with the Islamic Center or Mosque being there.

[sirs]

Again, I fail to see any problem with the Islamic Center or Mosque being there.

Which I can assume then you have no problem with Westboro church members protesting so near to funerals.  Free Speech, and all that, right?

[BT]

Again, I fail to see any problem with the Islamic Center or Mosque being there.

Which I can assume then you have no problem with Westboro church members protesting so near to funerals.  Free Speech, and all that, right?

How many times have you stated that Park51 is not a legal issue, it is a location issue.
The Westboro Church Protests is a legal issue recently decided by Scotus in Westboro's favor.

[Christians4LessGvt]

The Sept 11 Ground Zero area is scared ground.
It is absolutely terrified ground.
But you really mean, "sacred ground",

Thanks for spelling correction XO!

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Mosque or whatever is not deliberately offensive to anyone. No one from the mosque or whatever walks about with signs stating "Islam RULES!", and "You Americans had it coming to mess with us Muslims".

Fred Phelps and his group is deliberately annoying. The Mosque or whatever is not visible from "Ground Zero", and could easily be ignored. Fred Phelps at a funeral is deliberately annoying.

I do not see where they are similar in any meaningful way.

The Muslims bought the site and there is no law preventing them from building whatever they wish on it. Phelps does not own any ground on or around any of the cemeteries where he puts on his nasty little spectacles.

[sirs]

The Mosque or whatever is not deliberately offensive to anyone.

A large contingent of both America and the 911 families would disagree.  IIRC, a majority in fact

Again, I fail to see any problem with the Islamic Center or Mosque being there.

Which I can assume then you have no problem with Westboro church members protesting so near to funerals.  Free Speech, and all that, right?

How many times have you stated that Park51 is not a legal issue, it is a location issue.

And remains so

The Westboro Church Protests is a legal issue recently decided by Scotus in Westboro's favor.

Irrelevent, since its not a legal issue, its a LOCATION issue.  Notice I didn't ask about a position on the legal ramifications.  "Free speech" is simply used as a repeititon to the arguement of those who support the mosque building, based on the 1st amendment

I do wish you'd get that accurately registered, having repeated it adnauseum

[BT]

So Park51 is perfectly within their rights to do with as they please with their building as there are no legal issues involved. I guess those who object can just go pound sand.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"So Park51 is perfectly within their rights to do with as they
please with their building as there are no legal issues involved"

Correct....probably......for the time being at least......
but as we all know in life....two can play any game.

"I guess those who object can just go pound sand"

Wow I would like to see you say that to the families of the victims at a Town Hall meeting.

[sirs]

So Park51 is perfectly within their rights to do with as they please with their building as there are no legal issues involved. I guess those who object can just go pound sand.

BINGO!!    What do you think I, C, and so many others have been saying all this time??  THAT's undoubtedly PRECISELY the position that those behind the construction of the mosque have adopted.  Sensitivity be damned, the rest of us can go pound sand.  That's what I've been saying since the beginning Bt.  How you managed to FINALLY grasp that now, is beyond me

[BT]

"So Park51 is perfectly within their rights to do with as they
please with their building as there are no legal issues involved"

Correct....probably......for the time being at least......
but as we all know in life....two can play any game.

"I guess those who object can just go pound sand"

Wow I would like to see you say that to the families of the victims at a Town Hall meeting.

Fine . Set it up. I'll be glad to follow the opponents to Park51 statement that the 5k soldiers who died in response to the attack on the WTC were not fighting for freedom but locational freedom.