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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: MissusDe on October 12, 2008, 04:13:20 AM
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It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
In the best tradition of Bill Clinton?s declaration that the answer to the question of whether he was having an affair depended on ?what the definition of is is,? Sen. Barack Obama was clearly concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was ?just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.?
The Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama?s life.
After Walter Annenberg?s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-?90s, Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. His purpose was to ?raise political consciousness? in schools.
After he won the grant, Ayers? group chose Obama to distribute the $50 million, and the future senator raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers? admonition to grant the funds to ?external? organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize and politicize the students.
Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the grants, but the school?s success in preaching a radical agenda determined how much money it got.
Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, and his wife was imprisoned for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink?s car in which two police were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times [NYT], in September 2001, that he wished he ?could have done more.? Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegal wiretaps. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.
So let?s sum up Obama?s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to prison. His spiritual adviser was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of ?God damn America? fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job is former terrorist Ayers.
Not a good recommendation for a president.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922&srvc=next_article (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922&srvc=next_article)
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Poor old McCain is running scared and is now running down the low road, flinging mud and getting crap like this published.
He's going DOWN.
He's taking Mrs. Mooselini with him
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Somebody really cares what a pervert toe-sucker and his own personal Hillary thinks ? I forgot , you Repupes love your pervs.
Fallout
Time Magazine featured the scandal on September 9, 1996.
On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute. A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony. The Electronic Telegraph reported unverified claims that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President. The Telegraph also alleged that Morris had a preference for "toe-sucking and dominance," and that he regaled Rowlands with a version of "Popeye the Sailor Man," performed in his underpants.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris)
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<<Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn.>>
Sure. Then the Republicans could claim that the guy was a hysterical coward.
<<Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon>>
Tough shit. The Pentagon has admitted bombing the whole of Viet Nam and killing two million people, and the U.S. Capitol funded the whole effort.
<< . . . and his wife was imprisoned for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink?s car in which two police were killed.>>
So now it's not just his association with Ayers, but with Ayer's wife too. This is getting hilarious. What's next? Has Ayers got an evil nephew hiding in some closet that you can pin on Obama.
<< Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times [NYT], in September 2001, that he wished he ?could have done more.>>
Bill Ayers is a hero to millions around the world. Others TALKED about "bringing the war home." Ayers brought it home.
<< Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegal wiretaps. >>
Oh, great. Now you know what the results of the trial WOULD have been without the illegal evidence. How do you know he would have been convicted anyway? Because the government prosecutors told you so? Fuck the government - - they were liars then and they're liars now.
<<He was, in fact, guilty as sin.>>
Bullshit. Prove it. It was the U.S. government that was "guilty as sin." Bill Ayers was one of a growing group of anti-war Resistance fighters who did what had to be done to stop a monstrous crime in progress. He's an American hero.
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>>Poor old McCain is running scared and is now running down the low road, flinging mud and getting crap like this published. He's going DOWN. He's taking Mrs. Mooselini with him<<
Creative? Insightful?
You be the judge.
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Somebody really cares what a pervert toe-sucker and his own personal Hillary thinks ?
Gotta love that liberal open-minded tolerance.
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Gotta love that liberal open-minded tolerance.
What have you done to support toe-sucking obsessions lately?
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Why do I need to have done anything to support them?
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>>Why do I need to have done anything to support them?<<
You don't really. For liberals it's enough just to say you're pro-toe-sucker. Or just denounce those racist, bigoted, stupid people who are anti-toe sucker. That's enough. It's not you do, it's what you say, dontcha know.
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Why do I need to have done anything to support them?
Since you criticize "liberals" for what one person said about Dick Morris being a toe fetishist, it rather suggests that not only do you seem to consider this to be a classic universal "liberal" position that Dick Morris is a toe sucker, but that it is wrong to be one. This suggests that you as a "non-liberal" have a different position which is less critical of toe-sucking.
I was merely inquiring what this might be.
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Since you criticize "liberals" for what one person said
I did not.
Since you criticize "liberals" for what one person said about Dick Morris being a toe fetishist, it rather suggests that not only do you seem to consider this to be a classic universal "liberal" position that Dick Morris is a toe sucker, but that it is wrong to be one. This suggests that you as a "non-liberal" have a different position which is less critical of toe-sucking.
I was merely inquiring what this might be.
A question about what my position is and a question about what I have done to support them are substantively two different questions.
I did not criticize all liberals. I sarcastically pointed to one liberal's apparently (and, to me, obviously) illiberal judgmental comment about Morris.
My position of one of apathy. I am not into toe-sucking, but I don't care a whit if other people are. And I certainly am not going to use someone's alleged predilection for toe-sucking to attempt to say his or her political opinion is invalid. None of which requires me to "support toe-sucking obsessions" in any fashion.
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I fail to see why you need to mention the word 'liberal' at all. I do not think that toe-sucking is any more a bigger deal for liberals than conservatives. I would think that a libertarian might be outraged that a person's toe-sucking in one venue would be a valid criticism of their statements about some issue totally devoid of toe sucking.
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You're not paying attention at all, are you?
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So, you guys are still talking about Ayers after it was proven that Palin abused her power as governor and broke the Public Trust?
Wow.
Just curious: Why is that Annenberg hired Williams Ayers?
Annenberg who shook hands with Ronald Reagan and has been a major Republican till his death hired William Ayers. A known terrorist? Wow, the GOP hires terrorists.
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Why is that Annenberg hired Williams Ayers?
Annenberg didn't hire Ayers. The Annenberg Foundation gave his organization a matching grant.
Please study up on the issue.
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Annenberg made his fortune selling first racing forms, then the TV Guide. He was one of Nixon's biggest supporters. Nixon was pretty much an anathema to people like Ayers back in the 1960's. So if Annenberg, whose foundation is rather picky (I know this from helping a colleague write a grant proposal to Annenberg's foundation) thinks Ayes is reliable, then I'd say he is.
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<<So if Annenberg, whose foundation is rather picky (I know this from helping a colleague write a grant proposal to Annenberg's foundation) thinks Ayes is reliable, then I'd say he is.>>
Save your breath, XO. This is not about Ayers' reliability. It's all about smearing Obama is a "terrorist" and will look the other way on bomb-planters, especially if they're Muslim bomb-planters. They're out to scare the pants off the average American voter. "This one's" a friend to any "terrorist," especially any terrorist called "Hussein," and everyone knows they're ALL called "Hussein."
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Somebody really cares what a pervert toe-sucker and his own personal Hillary thinks ?
Gotta love that liberal open-minded tolerance.
I tolerate toe-suckers if they dont suck my toes and if they dont pretend to be better than thou.
Being a toesucker may not necessarily negate your opinion , but certainly does your judgement- Yucko!
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Actually, I doubt that toe-sucking and other fetishes are related to an individuals reasoning skills. Part of the mind is logical, but part of is not and can never be. We need both instinct and reason to survive. Mental health is determined by the ability to compartmentalize these and to suppress those that might cause a person to get himself killed.
Still, I do not consider Dick Morris to be a particularly good political analyst.
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Still, I do not consider Dick Morris to be a particularly good political analyst.
Probabaly because he no longer sucks the toes of Hillary or Bill
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Probabaly because he no longer sucks the toes of Hillary or Bill
??? ??? ???
I care not about Bill's or Hillary's toes. I don't think they are into sucking toes or being toe suckees, either.
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I don't think they are into sucking toes or being toe suckees, either.
I judged a toe sucking contest once. And an ear nibbling contest.
Ahh, the 70s...
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:D
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What are the criteria for superior toe sucking? hickies?
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What are the criteria for superior toe sucking? hickies?
I'm not so sure you CAN get hickies on your toes.
I gave points for warmth, technique, and extra points for stuff like massaging or tickling my feet while sucking the toes, using interesting props (one girl applied, then sucked off creme de menthe, for example), etc. There were no set criteria, I'm sure each of the three judges had his own criteria in mind.
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Why is that Annenberg hired Williams Ayers?
Annenberg didn't hire Ayers. The Annenberg Foundation gave his organization a matching grant.
Please study up on the issue.
So, you're saying that two individuals can be associated with an organization and not be associated with each other?
I mean, 'cause, you know, to me, it looks like the Annenberg Foundation bears Annenberg's name and he is a big shot Republican. And Ayers got funds or whatever it is you're claiming from the Annenberg Foundation, so clearly Annenberg is palling around with terrorists.
Right? Isn't that how we got to the idea that Ayers and Obama were best friends who swore a blood oath pinky swear to the same ideals and love of explodey stuff at government building?
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Foundations by definition are usually funded by a philanthropist but are usually administered in a hands off approach, ie they appoint a director who follows the mission statement and adheres to laws governing 501-c's.
I doubt seriously whether Walter Annenberg was involved in the decisions regarding the Chicago Annenberg Challenge , though he might have given approval to the Nationwide idea of the Challenge.
To give you a better understanding, there is the Carnegie Institute for Peace, funded by Andrew Carnegie's millions, yet i doubt Carnegie is notified of every grant, seeing as how he is dead.
The same could be said for the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations.
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Foundations by definition are usually funded by a philanthropist but are usually administered in a hands off approach, ie they appoint a director who follows the mission statement and adheres to laws governing 501-c's.
I doubt seriously whether Walter Annenberg was involved in the decisions regarding the Chicago Annenberg Challenge , though he might have given approval to the Nationwide idea of the Challenge.
To give you a better understanding, there is the Carnegie Institute for Peace, funded by Andrew Carnegie's millions, yet i doubt Carnegie is notified of every grant, seeing as how he is dead.
The same could be said for the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations.
But still, you guys claim that Ayers and Obama are "good friends" since they were associated with the same foundation but who else was associated with this foundation? Any Republicans associated with this organization (that it has already been proven that Ayers and Obama are not associated exclusively with).???
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Let me explain this to you like you are a six year old.
It isn't about Ayers.
It is about Obama's knee jerk impulse to not be forthcoming with the TRUTH about anything he percieves could get in the way of his goal.
The guy is not candid.
The guy is not truthful.
The guy therefore is not trustworthy.
That may be OK with you.
With others it may not be OK.
Even the biggest flamethrower for the left on this board, Mikey, (Knute doesn't count) says Obama blew this one. He should have gotten way out in front of this as soon as Hillary threw it into the ring.
The drip drip drip of revelations is hurting his credibility.