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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Brassmask on April 29, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
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About five years ago, I posted a link to a description of these very same robotic blocks in my ravings about the RBE.
Here they are actually doing the bare bones basics of what they will someday do for us.
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/04/uhoh_reassembling_robots_are_h.php
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Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.
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Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.
True, but I've yet to see a bunch of amino acids pave a road.
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Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.
True, but I've yet to see a bunch of amino acids pave a road.
You have seen a robot pave a road?
You haven't seen something made of Amino acids pave a road?
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>>Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.<<
:D
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Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.
True, but I've yet to see a bunch of amino acids pave a road.
You have seen a robot pave a road?
You haven't seen something made of Amino acids pave a road?
No, I have not seen a robot pave a road, but back several years ago when I first posted about these robots one of the envisioned uses for them would be the automated paving of roads while said roads were still in full use.
As far as "something made of Amino acids" paving a road, I assume that you are talking about human beings paving roads but that is not the same as an amino acids paving a road, now is it?
These word games are a waste of time and most of the reason behind my lack of interest in responding to most of what people post about. It is indicative of how I feel about most things these days. In the way that you people always want to play words games and semantics, I also see this overly and offensively present in today's political processes. No one ever wants to have a discussion about anything, they only want to "win", no matter what the situation. Hillary wants to "win" though her "win" would mean the will of the people is moot. If her winning means that she has to cut down Obama and make him look like a moron, then that's a win to her. She's destroyed to win. That's not winning.
In the same way, whenever I point out something that supports my stances, my hopes, my beliefs, there is inevitably almost immediately a personal drubbing handed out by the likes of sirs, rich or christian which always includes a cute, little emoticon like this ::), and when I ignore that or tell them to go fuck themselves, there is the eventual nitpicking word games, the semantics, the oh-so-cutesiness of "aren't I witty and smart" types like you and Ami who think that since I won't bother to address your worthless nay-saying hypotheses (like strawberry-picking robots or amino acids paving roads) that somehow discredits my whole point to my post therefore the worthlessness of my opinion on all things including government, religion, society or history (god, guns and gays).
It gets really tiresome and annoying. Sure it was fun five years ago.
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Brass, now I know you read comics and are into science fiction, that means you know these robots will eventually realize they don't need us aqnd will begin a war against mankind.
(http://horizont.czechian.net/download/terminator4.jpg)
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Brass, now I know you read comics and are into science fiction, that means you know these robots will eventually realize they don't need us aqnd will begin a war against mankind.
Um, yeeeeeeeahh, lol.
I still get chills thinking back to the Great Toaster Uprising of 1956 and just last year that Macintosh Revolt had to be put down in Austin.
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You're thinking small brass. I don't know about you, but my car seems to have a mind of it's own!
But seriously, you've read I Robot I assume?
(http://nanopedia.cwru.edu/image/I.Robot.jpg)
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Brass is precisely correct in his diagnosis. Eventually there will be really useful robots and they will not rebel and certainly not have faces that resemble human skulls, teeth and all. Will we run out of resources because there are so many people on the planet that the cannot be built in the numbers that would be needed to care for the elderly, the mentally retarded, the victim veterans of stupid wars past? Will only CEO's be able to afford them, and use them to distribute canap?s at board meetings?
The difference between a future that has gone horribly, horribly wrong and one that has been built right is that the latter is too boring. Just like unabusive men. Hence the popularity of killer robot films over more realistic ones like Millenium Man. Robin Williams is more fun when he is on a rampage and NOT a useful robot. But That's entertainment.
Not reality.
I now await Ami to discredit this entire post by explaining how I have misspelled 'Millenium'.
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I now await Ami to discredit this entire post by explaining how I have misspelled 'Millenium'.
Nah, you're the spelling Nazi around here.
I only pick on your spelling when you make an error while chastising someone else about their spelling.
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>>Eventually there will be really useful robots and they will not rebel and certainly not have faces that resemble human skulls, teeth and all.<<
I see your abilty to see into the future applies to science as well as politics. How wonderful for you!
::)
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About five years ago, I posted a link to a description of these very same robotic blocks in my ravings about the RBE.
Here they are actually doing the bare bones basics of what they will someday do for us.
BTW, read Vernor Vinge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernor_Vinge)'s novel Rainbows End (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End) yet? It's a very likely scenario for the near future.
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this post gave me some thoughts about rebel robots of the future.
and i stand corrected on my thoughts
I do not believe machines will think we`re obsolete.
I believe robots will kill us like in west world due to a programimg error.
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worst come to worst vista home basic
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Big deal , Amino Acids assemble themselves better than that and have been doing so since day one.
True, but I've yet to see a bunch of amino acids pave a road.
You have seen a robot pave a road?
You haven't seen something made of Amino acids pave a road?
No, I have not seen a robot pave a road, but back several years ago when I first posted about these robots one of the envisioned uses for them would be the automated paving of roads while said roads were still in full use.
As far as "something made of Amino acids" paving a road, I assume that you are talking about human beings paving roads but that is not the same as an amino acids paving a road, now is it?
These word games are a waste of time and most of the reason behind my lack of interest in responding to most of what people post about. It is indicative of how I feel about most things these days. In the way that you people always want to play words games and semantics, I also see this overly and offensively present in today's political processes. No one ever wants to have a discussion about anything, they only want to "win", no matter what the situation. Hillary wants to "win" though her "win" would mean the will of the people is moot. If her winning means that she has to cut down Obama and make him look like a moron, then that's a win to her. She's destroyed to win. That's not winning.
In the same way, whenever I point out something that supports my stances, my hopes, my beliefs, there is inevitably almost immediately a personal drubbing handed out by the likes of sirs, rich or christian which always includes a cute, little emoticon like this ::), and when I ignore that or tell them to go fuck themselves, there is the eventual nitpicking word games, the semantics, the oh-so-cutesiness of "aren't I witty and smart" types like you and Ami who think that since I won't bother to address your worthless nay-saying hypotheses (like strawberry-picking robots or amino acids paving roads) that somehow discredits my whole point to my post therefore the worthlessness of my opinion on all things including government, religion, society or history (god, guns and gays).
It gets really tiresome and annoying. Sure it was fun five years ago.
You are terriffic and never wrong , whenever I disagree with you I know full well that I can't be right , I do feel obligated though to provide you with some debate .
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You're thinking small brass. I don't know about you, but my car seems to have a mind of it's own!
But seriously, you've read I Robot I assume?
Sorry, Rich, but no, I haven't read I, Robot. I did see that horrible movie that Will Smith made.
While computing has gotten more complicated and improved by leaps and bounds, a machine (even one with a computer "brain") will only do what it is designed or programmed to do.
My uncle has a crippled right hand because he was got it caught in a machine that pressed plastic. The machine did what it was designed to do. It didn't come alive and eat my uncle's hand.
Now, I certainly believe that a robot could be programmed to kill eventually. Sure. But someone can drive a car into a crowd and kill 20 as well. Doesn't mean we need to stop making cars. Does it?
If we can make robots that can farm 24-7. I say, "how long till they're up and running?" If we can make a robot that can make beds in a hospital, I say, "start now."
If we can make a robot to do anything that relieves humans from drudgery, then I say let's do it and have free college for everyone and let's become a race of intellectuals who don't have to work unless we want to.
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While computing has gotten more complicated and improved by leaps and bounds, a machine (even one with a computer "brain") will only do what it is designed or programmed to do.
This totally ignores the concept of "bugs." And when you're talking about self-replicating machines, bugs in the original design can replicate incorrectly and become different / damaging.
If we can make robots that can farm 24-7. I say, "how long till they're up and running?" If we can make a robot that can make beds in a hospital, I say, "start now."
If we can make a robot to do anything that relieves humans from drudgery, then I say let's do it and have free college for everyone and let's become a race of intellectuals who don't have to work unless we want to.
And who's paying for all of this?
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All those newly enabled couch potatoes that have no compulsion/need to work any longer, Ami. sheeeeesh ;)
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And who's paying for all of this?
Who pays for it now?
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Who pays for it now?
Capitalists.
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D'oh
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>>If we can make a robot to do anything that relieves humans from drudgery, then I say let's do it and have free college for everyone and let's become a race of intellectuals who don't have to work unless we want to.<<
As you know, we already have robots doing tasks that humans used to do. That can cause problems. It's a standard science fiction concept that humans will (and already do) recent robots that take away human jobs. That, if for no other reason, is why I think we'll never see robots that one; look humanoid and two; do anything other than the most menial of jobs. What we will see I think, is robots exploring space. They can work in the most extreme of conditions and could one day help discover valuable resources on other planets.
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uhm
rich
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4714135.stm
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Who pays for it now?
Capitalists.
Then they can pay for robots. What's the diff?
And can I just add how retarded and useless sirs' D'OH! is? It is really tantamount to the mental deficient wrestler who stands behind the slightly less mentally deficient wrestler and yells "Yeah!"
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Then they can pay for robots. What's the diff?
They already ARE paying for robots. Who do you thinks builds 'em anyway?
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Then they can pay for robots. What's the diff?
They already ARE paying for robots. Who do you thinks builds 'em anyway?
That's my freaking POINT!
For every robot that is built, a job goes out the window.
What do you think the people out of a job are going to do once they are replaced by a robot?
We can have a whole social class of unemployed Americans or we can do the right thing and move toward socialism.
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And can I just add how retarded and useless sirs' D'OH! is?
Of course you can. Fits nicely into so many of your other inaccurate opinionated deductions/conclusions
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For every robot that is built, a job goes out the window.
What do you think the people out of a job are going to do once they are replaced by a robot?
We can have a whole social class of unemployed Americans or we can do the right thing and move toward socialism.
Ha! I got a good laugh out of that one. A whole social class of unemployed Americans... just like how the industrial revolution left everyone unemployed? Come on, Brass. Don't be ridiculous.
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We can have a whole social class of unemployed Americans or we can do the right thing and move toward socialism.
So, you want capitalists to pay for the robots, then you want to take everything away from them when it's done?
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Ha! I got a good laugh out of that one. A whole social class of unemployed Americans... just like how the industrial revolution left everyone unemployed? Come on, Brass. Don't be ridiculous.
So, what are you saying? Are you saying that robotics will be a new industrial revolution and the robotics industry will be a new jobs market like the IT boom of the 90's?
And what happens when we have robots that build the robots?
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We can have a whole social class of unemployed Americans or we can do the right thing and move toward socialism.
So, you want capitalists to pay for the robots, then you want to take everything away from them when it's done?
No.
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No.
So, where do capitalists fit into a socialist system?
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Ha! I got a good laugh out of that one. A whole social class of unemployed Americans... just like how the industrial revolution left everyone unemployed? Come on, Brass. Don't be ridiculous.
So, what are you saying? Are you saying that robotics will be a new industrial revolution and the robotics industry will be a new jobs market like the IT boom of the 90's?
And what happens when we have robots that build the robots?
At that point the principals of evolution will begin to apply to the robots ,and the time of the disobedient robot become inevitable.
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So, what are you saying?
I'm saying a loss of old jobs does not mean no new ones will be created. Rather than ascribe to your rather twisted almost-luddism that assumes jobs will simply disappear therefore we need socialism, I happen to think new jobs will be created. It's always happened. The industrial revolution took jobs away from people, and yet people found new jobs to take the place of the old jobs. Computers were going to lead us all to a paperless society and tons of leisure time. Instead, rather than doing the same amount of work as before, more work is now done, taking advantage of the increased productivity that computers allow. Look at Information Technology. It has become a vital part of business, and IT did not even exist as recently as 60 years ago, less than the average lifespan of a person in this country. People and the market will adapt. New jobs will be found, that is what I'm saying.
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It has become a vital part of business, and IT did not even exist as recently as 60 years ago, less than the average lifespan of a person in this country. People and the market will adapt. New jobs will be found, that is what I'm saying.[/color]
When Robots can build robots , and can begin doing their jobs without supervision , perhaps robots can buy from other robots the fuel , spare parts and programming that the robots need.
When the robots have replace human beings as consumors , will they need us for anything ?
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forgive me brass
But wordplay really is a factor here.
robot in most instance is here will not be used to replace human labor
machines will take over that areas
a robot is much too costly a device to do such speacilized task.
unless my definition of a robot is different than yours.
I think of robot as multporpuse machine able to do various task (some beyond human)
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No.
So, where do capitalists fit into a socialist system?
The same place they fit into the one we're in now.
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The same place they fit into the one we're in now.
As owners of production?
I thought in a socialist state, there were no individual owners?
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just a thought
I think were not gonna be taken over by robots
instead we`ll become something similiar to borg
nanites are not actually machines ,but actually modified bacteria
and we always had the trend to improve ourselves.
is it unlikely we`ll incorporate machines to ourselves to this extreme?
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is it unlikely we`ll incorporate machines to ourselves to this extreme?
Very likely, actually.
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truthfully
I wouldn`t mind a cortal implant to increase data capacity and organizing all that information.
and be able to surf the net with out a extranal device.
the only thing I haven`t decided is, do I want a AI with my implant or not?
I remember a old marvel charater having one
deathlok
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truthfully
I wouldn`t mind a cortal implant to increase data capacity and organizing all that information.
and be able to surf the net with out a extranal device.
the only thing I haven`t decided is, do I want a AI with my implant or not?
I remember a old marvel charater having one
deathlok
I remember Deathlok, my own self.
I agree that an implant or some kind of connection for input would be nice a la Matrix knowledge downloads.
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thinking about it
teenagers are kinda hooked to thier cells
how much of a strecht would it be for them tied to the borg collective
cellphone implants with the option to continuesly talk to each other
I kinda doubt the kids would be putoff with the idea
myspace may merge with cell companies in the near future and offer such things
resistance is futile
you will be assimulated
thank for using AT&T