Trying to understand Liberals

[BT]

By supporting politicians who also covet the constitution, and that which makes this country great.  By supporting legislation that frees up the citizenry to do what they do best
By defeating politicians and legislation that does the opposite

And if there are more people who support the enemy idea than those who support your world view, what then?

[Plane]

By supporting politicians who also covet the constitution, and that which makes this country great.  By supporting legislation that frees up the citizenry to do what they do best
By defeating politicians and legislation that does the opposite

And if there are more people who support the enemy idea than those who support your world view, what then?

Then they will (Horrors oh horrors)win elections.

If their ideas are right that will then b e the time to prove how well those ideas work.

If their ideas are unworkable , the public will thereby be educated.

[sirs]

    someone gets it, without trying to make this something, its not

[BT]

By supporting politicians who also covet the constitution, and that which makes this country great.  By supporting legislation that frees up the citizenry to do what they do best
By defeating politicians and legislation that does the opposite

And if there are more people who support the enemy idea than those who support your world view, what then?

Then they will (Horrors oh horrors)win elections.

If their ideas are right that will then b e the time to prove how well those ideas work.

If their ideas are unworkable , the public will thereby be educated.

Will it not be too late by then?
Look at California.

[Plane]

By supporting politicians who also covet the constitution, and that which makes this country great.  By supporting legislation that frees up the citizenry to do what they do best
By defeating politicians and legislation that does the opposite

And if there are more people who support the enemy idea than those who support your world view, what then?

Then they will (Horrors oh horrors)win elections.

If their ideas are right that will then b e the time to prove how well those ideas work.

If their ideas are unworkable , the public will thereby be educated.

Will it not be too late by then?
Look at California.

 How steep must a learning curve be?
The people need the truth and the ability to understand it .

I suppose they need the ability to learn at a rate greater than the rate that ruin creeps up on them.

But what is the alternative to giving the other side a proper turn ?

[BT]

Seems to me that if your idea is superior then educating those who believe otherwise of the merits of your idea would be the best course of action. I just don't see how that could be fruitful if non believers are treated as enemies.

[sirs]

Compromising on core principals is not a terribly viable function.  Smiling while the other side continues to beat on you, and take advantage of your "kindness: isn't going to change "the enemy" into someone willing to compromise on their principals either

And notice, I'm not advocating calling "the enemy" evil.  That's wrong, because that would justify an ends justifying the means approach to defeating them.  Plane nailed it, the electorate has to become educated.  If abysmal failure is the last vestage of education, so be it.  But Liberals who want to turn this country into a socialist one, ARE the enemy.  NOT evil, just WRONG, and couldn't be more wrong

[BT]

Compromising on core principals is not a terribly viable function.  Smiling while the other side continues to beat on you, and take advantage of your "kindness: isn't going to change "the enemy" into someone willing to compromise on their principals either

I don't recall saying anything about compromising your core values. I just don't see how you educate someone who you view as the enemy without them picking up on the attitude of disrespect and disdain for them and their ideas.

Can you see Coca Cola wooing Pepsi drinkers by calling them dangers to civilization?

[sirs]

I don't see the decision between Coca Cola or Pepsi as a decision between supporting abortion or not

It's a perspective kinda thing.  Perhaps with your demonstrated morally relatavistic prism, they are kinda the same

[BT]

Ok let's talk abortion.

Though legal, i would presume pro-life folks would prefer that the procedure be used rarely.

I guess one way to accomplish that is at the point of a gun. But that would involve governmental social engineering and my guess is most conservatives are against that.

The other way would be to persuade an expectant mother that there are better alternatives to abortion.

Which do you think is the better approach?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Let women decide for themselves. Period.

Stupid laws forcing women to pay for sonograms they do not want and making them sign a form to refuse to look at the damned things is one oppressive thing the idiot FL legislature has done, and that sucks.

[sirs]

Ok let's talk abortion.

No, let's talk perspective. 

Coca Cola or Pepsi

Abortion or Life

And you think they're on equal grounds of if one chooses another, all is just fine??

How about writing a song about the Rocky Mountains or writing a song about a convicted Cop Killer.  Pretty much equal in your eyes, I assume??

It's a perspective thing, Bt.  I, like you, can actually differentiate acts that are wrong, if not evil.  (granted, in my eyes.  One man's terrorist is another's Freedom Fighters.  I get that).  But I've been blessed by God, taught about morals, per my parents & my walk with God, and along with my being raised in this country, I'm confident I have a pretty strong grasp of the difference between a person choosing between coke or pepsi vs a person choosing between abortion or life of the unborn.  The former's choice isn't life altering, and doesn't even warrant a discussion on the notion of "enemy"

I choose Dr Pepper, anyways, so it's a moot point

[BT]

Ok let's talk abortion.

No, let's talk perspective. 

Coca Cola or Pepsi

Abortion or Life

And you think they're on equal grounds of if one chooses another, all is just fine??

How about writing a song about the Rocky Mountains or writing a song about a convicted Cop Killer.  Pretty much equal in your eyes, I assume??

It's a perspective thing, Bt.  I, like you, can actually differentiate acts that are wrong, if not evil.  (granted, in my eyes.  One man's terrorist is another's Freedom Fighters.  I get that).  But I've been blessed by God, taught about morals, per my parents & my walk with God, and along with my being raised in this country, I'm confident I have a pretty strong grasp of the difference between a person choosing between coke or pepsi vs a person choosing between abortion or life of the unborn.  The former's choice isn't life altering, and doesn't even warrant a discussion on the notion of "enemy"

I choose Dr Pepper, anyways, so it's a moot point

That's a shame. Perhaps one of your allies on the right can pick up the baton and continue this discussion of how best to convey ideas.

[kimba1]

hmm
wheels turning again


in nature quite afew animals in stressed situation have miscarriages as a survival mechanism. suppose alarge percent of miscarriage are found to be deliberate would natural abortion be frowned upon by pro-life?

[Xavier_Onassis]

It was not a song about a "cop killer" you moron. It was a song about a woman falsely accused of killing a cop. Whether she killed the cop or not is irrelevant, unless the song recommends killing cops, and it does not.

Look, you will NEVER convince me of your macho Biblical pro-fetus crap about abortion. I have given up on all of you, and so just take your stupid "pro life" crap and shove it, I am not addressing it here any more. There is nothing left to say, the horse is dead and even the bones are sinking into the ooze.