The Palestinians of 1967

[BT]

Because Israel rightly annexed territory it took from a nation that tried, not just to attack them, but to rid the region of them.  When you start advocating that we need to give the U.S, or at least the east coast back to England, then you'll have a credible leg to stand on.  England merely wanted to rule us from afar.  Messers Syria, Jordan, and Egypt had far more nefarious goals in mind.

Perhaps you forgot about the  Treaty of Paris of 1783 or the Jay treaty of 1794  which has Britain ceding the lands east of the  Mississippi, South of the Great Lakes and North of Florida to the US. I believe you will find that to be satisfactory paperwork concerning Britain relinquishing its claims.

Do you have the equivalent between Syria and Israel concerning the Golan Heights?

Didn't think so.

[sirs]

Actually I do...I have Syria attacking Israel, I have Israel defending itself, I have Israel ceasing land that Syria used to try and push Israel into the sea, and I have Israel annexing said territory, as you your self had inquired about earlier.

Bummers that those facts keep getting in the way

[BT]

What you don't have is a peace treaty between Israel and Syria, like between the US and Britain after the revolution.

If you did have a peace treaty it might look like this:

Olmert to Assad: Israel willing to withdraw from Golan Heights

Yedioth Ahronoth report says prime minister relayed secret message to Damascus saying Israel would return Golan to Syria in exchange for comprehensive peace, severing of all ties to Iran, regional terror groups. Right-wing MKs: Olmert trying to save his own skin, has no legitimacy to give up disputed region
Ynet

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert recently relayed a secret message to Syrian President Bashar Assad saying Israel knew what the price of peace was and would be willing to pay it, Yedioth Ahronoth reported Friday.

Damascus' Response
Syria 'ready' for Israel peace talks / AFP
We would like to resume peace negotiations with Israel, Syrian official says day after Olmert said he did not want to go to war with Damascus. 'Our position is the same; we're closely following (Israeli) statements,' official adds
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According to the report, Olmert told the Syrian leader Israel would return the Golan in exchange for a comprehensive peace agreement and the severing of Damascus? alliance with Iran and terror groups in the region.

 
A senior official in Jerusalem was quoted by the newspaper as saying that Assad has yet to respond to Israel?s offer.

 
It was further reported that during a phone conversation with US President George W. Bush last month, Olmert said he had decided to look into the possibility of renewing negotiations with Syria.

 

'Enough with incessant babble'

Bush, the report said, gave the go-ahead and said the United States would not stand in Israel?s way, prompting Olmert to convey to Assad several messages through German and Turkish mediators saying he ?realizes that a peace agreement with Syria would entail the return of the Golan Height?s to Syrian sovereignty?.

 
The prime minister expressed his willingness to live up to his end of the bargain if Syria would ?gradually dissolve its alliances with Iran, Hizbullah and the Palestinian terror organizations and stop funding and promoting terror?.

 
Syria, for its part, has not responded to the offer, apart from a few vague declarations of its willingness to enter negotiations.

 

In response to the report Likud Knesset Member Gideon Sa?ar called on Yisrael Beitenu and Shas to resign from the government immediately.

 

?Olmert has no legitimacy from the public for a withdrawal from the Golan Heights, and his administration is a danger to Israel?s security,? he said.

 

?Steps being taken far from the public eye which may be difficult to stop, and the responsibility lies with all of the cabinet members.?

 

'New strategic situation'

National Union - NRP chairman Zevulun Orlev said, "Ehud Olmert would sell the Golan Heights for his seat. He is trying to save his own skin, and his statement regarding a withdrawal from the Golan is a desperate attempt to survive."

 

However, politicians from the Left praised Olmert?s initiative. "The price tag for a viable peace agreement with Syria is a full withdrawal from the Golan Heights,? United Arab List-Ta?al Knesset Member Ahmad Tibi said. ?The negotiations must be renewed immediately,? he said.

 

Meretz faction chairperson Zahava Gal-On said that "for Olmert to demonstrate that his intentions are serious, he must not only make statements that create a new political agenda, but he must initiate a meeting between Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and the Syrian foreign minister (Walid al-Mouallem)."

 

According to Gal-On, only direct contact will attest to the sincerity of the prime minister's intents. "Otherwise, it would appear that the prime minister was using Syria to divert attention from the discussion surrounding the Winograd Report, and to continue his personal survival."

 

Meretz chairman Yossi Beilin praised the ?change in Olmert?s stance regarding negotiations with Syria?.

 

?An agreement with Syria has existed de facto since January 2000, when (then prime minister) Ehud Barak panicked and stopped the talks at Shepherdstown, West Virginia,? Beilin said.

 

?I call on Olmert to launch negotiations as soon as possible and reach an agreement based on the Arab initiative. This will directly affect Hizbullah, Hamas and Iran and will create a new strategic situation in the Middle East.?

 
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3410174,00.html

[sirs]

What you don't have is a peace treaty between Israel and Syria, like between the US and Britain after the revolution.

Syria should have thought of that, before attacking Israel

[BT]

So how much do we save if we let Israel fend for itself? Couple billion a year?

Cut Cut Cut.

[sirs]

Sure, I don't have a problem with that....until they ask for our help, of course

[BT]

Cool. We'll bill them if we need to help, right? Like Kuwait

[sirs]

Sure

[BT]

Cool.

[Plane]

Are all nations potentially rogue?

I think that if the UN told any nation to accept terms that would lead to the demise of the government and or the decimation of the people the UN would get ignored and dismissed as irrellivant.

Happens a lot doesn't it?

[BT]

Are all nations potentially rogue?

I think that if the UN told any nation to accept terms that would lead to the demise of the government and or the decimation of the people the UN would get ignored and dismissed as irrellivant.

Happens a lot doesn't it?

I'm not sure it is a given that if Israel rolled back to the 67 borders they would instantly become easy prey.

I think Militarily they are stronger than that. And i think with the air force they have that a silly little line in the sand doesn't mean as much.

[Plane]

Are all nations potentially rogue?

I think that if the UN told any nation to accept terms that would lead to the demise of the government and or the decimation of the people the UN would get ignored and dismissed as irrellivant.

Happens a lot doesn't it?

I'm not sure it is a given that if Israel rolled back to the 67 borders they would instantly become easy prey.

I think Militarily they are stronger than that. And i think with the air force they have that a silly little line in the sand doesn't mean as much.

    Rockets of the  unsophisticated and cheap sort make every hundred yards of range precious. Especially when there are so many.

If Isreal were reduced to defending their 1967 border they woud seem vunerable to attack and just as temptingly vunerable as they did in 1967.

The 67 border did nothing to preserve peace in 67 , why would it be better for peace now as the enemy is bigger and more well armed?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The 1967 borders are pretty much what Israel has now. They just have colonies of settlers stuck on mountaintops and such.

Israel's borders mean less now with drone aircraft than they ever did before.

[BT]

Rockets of the  unsophisticated and cheap sort make every hundred yards of range precious. Especially when there are so many.

I'm not sure that is an issue with the Israeli's. It certainly didn't dissuade them from placing settlements in the Heights closer to the newer border with Syria, as you can see by the map.

[Plane]

Remember the War of Jenkins Ear?

Georgia was founded as a buffer to slow the raiding Spanish and serve as a base for raids on the Spanish, also as a good dumping spot for ruffians.