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Re: Tea Party vs Wall Street Hippy/Thug/Handout Crowd Campout
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2011, 05:35:55 PM »
Lewis claimed he was called the N-word walking through a Tea Party crowd where microphones covering the event did not seem to pick up the insult over the din of a howling mob.  At least one member of his entourage also claimed to have heard the same insult.

At an Occupy! site, Lewis was basically called irrelevant and told to go home by the demonstrators.  This was fairly recently.

The above are the only two incidents to which plane and I (and XO) made reference.  The recent event I don't think was in connection to a health bill voting, but the first event might have.

Unless there was a third event involving Lewis, the health bill vote would have been where Lewis was racially insulted.

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Re: Tea Party vs Wall Street Hippy/Thug/Handout Crowd Campout
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2011, 07:25:17 PM »
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Lewis claimed he was called the N-word walking through a Tea Party crowd where microphones covering the event did not seem to pick up the insult over the din of a howling mob.  At least one member of his entourage also claimed to have heard the same insult.

From what i have read a colleague of Lewis mad the claim. I haven't found where Lewis either made the claim nor repeated it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/20/congressman-claims-health-care-bill-protesters-hur/

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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2011, 11:18:25 PM »
  How does one be better positioned than sensors that encircle one?


    Why am I assuming that MT is right about Mr. Lewis's claims?

     I actually just realised that I never did read of these accusations from any better than third hand.

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« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2011, 05:19:08 AM »
<<So the reaction of the police is a measure of authenticity?>>
Well, that's one theory.  The Tea Party is never maced or beaten and your bullshit explanation for this (it's because they don't litter) is just plain ludicrous.  Would you like to try again or do you give up? 

My theory is that nobody is ordering the violent dispersal of the Tea Party because they are the catspaw of the GOP, they represent no threat at all to the current Kleptocracy of thieving Wall Streeters, thieving bankers and thieving politicians of both parties and in fact are doing their best to preserve and strengthen the status quo. 

The Occupy Wall Street! people are, of course, a wholly different breed, and they're gonna get the full treatment, starting with MSM blackout, escalating to MSM slanders, marginalization, trivialization and ridicule, escalating to police violence , escalating to deadly violence from police and/or National Guard and/or Northern Command military forces.
 


Media Embrace 'Noble' Extremists Occupying Wall Street, Ignore Radicalism 88% of the Time
Communists, anarchists and revolutionaries fight to destroy capitalism, while journalists praise the 'Zen-like' encampment.
By Julia A. Seymour Monday, October 10, 2011

Extremists in Guy Fawkes masks, Code Pinkers and "professional anarchists," have camped out in New York City to protest Wall Street, greed and the capitalist system. Through social media the first protest in New York's financial district has sparked copycat protests in more than a hundred cities.

In a video posted on The Blaze, organizer Nelini Stamp made it clear that what she wants is "to change the capitalist system that we have today because it's not working for any of us." Moments later she said the conversation needed to begin about how "to reform and bring, you know, sort of revolutionary change to the States." She also labeled the OWS events part of a "new age radical movement."

Yet that is not the sense you'd get from reading stories about the protest in national newspapers or watching ABC, CBS and NBC. In those stories, you'll barely hear the word "liberal" mentioned in connection with the protesters, much less the more appropriate "socialist" label. Out of 69 national news reports (newspaper and broadcast) about "Occupy Wall Street" or "wall street protests," only eight stories have used described the protesters or protests with words indicative of the left-wing extremism represented. That's only 12 percent of the time.

Protester complaints reported by The New York Times ranged from the absurd:
"I want to get rid of the combustion engine," (a man named John McKibben said,)
to the genuinely sad:
"[I am] extremely disappointed and angry that I have no future," 22-year-old student Sid Gurung told the Times.

But the socialist cry for "a more equal economy" and government handouts that seem to be the overwhelming theme of the protests which have been livestreamed online from "Global Revolution." Despite that, national newspapers and the three broadcast networks have ignored or downplayed the left-wing extremism of the protests by focusing instead on the camaraderie and "street-fair" like feeling of protests.

The Business & Media Institute analyzed coverage in The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, USA Today and on ABC, CBS and NBC and found that out of 44 newspaper stories about the protests only eight used any of the following words to describe the protests or protesters: liberal, left-wing, radical, extreme, communist, socialist, anarchist, revolutionary or progressive.

The 25 network broadcast reports on the protests didn't use any of them, although one report did quote a protester who declared: "This is the beginning of the people's revolution." Two additional reports suggested that without a leader the "rage" of the protests might turn to "revolution." Opinion pieces and stories that mentioned the protests, but were focused on other topics were not included in the analysis.

Occupiers Angry about Debt, Foreclosures, Outsourcing and Income Inequality
The "Declaration of the Occupation of New York City" reveals how far left-wing the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) crowd really is, despite the media's praise of them as "noble" and well-intentioned. The Los Angeles Times actually claimed on Oct. 6 that "the leaderless organization" has "few specific demands." Clearly that newspaper hasn't been listening to the protesters.

The OWS's long list of complaints against corporations (some of which really don't make sense) included: "illegal foreclosures," bailouts and bonuses, "inequality and discrimination in the workplace," a "poisoned" food supply, the monopolization of farming, cruelty to animals, holding "students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right," outsourcing, "block alternate forms of energy," "block generic forms of medicine" and many others.

Yet there has been very little criticism of the protests among the national newspapers and three broadcast networks and plenty of lighthearted descriptions.
USA Today called it a "carnival atmosphere."
The Washington Post said it "had the feeling of a street fair."
The Los Angeles Times said on Sept. 30, the "settlement has gelled into an organized community that hums along almost Zen-like …" Nevermind that the protesters are illegally squatting in a private park, offending neighbors and local businesses with noise, trash and displays of exhibitionism.

Ginia Bellafante of The New York Times called the Occupy Wall Street effort "a noble but fractured and airy movement of rightly frustrated young people," on Sept. 25. While there are some legitimate frustrations being expressed by OWS protestors, they seek to blame banks and capitalism for everything, rather than the government for its involvement in the financial collapse. Many of them want the government to take from corporations and rich people and give them handouts.

The three broadcast networks have gushed over the left-wingers by calling it the "protest of this current era." Funny, the networks didn't think that about the conservative grassroots movement called the Tea Party. The news media ridiculed, obscenely nicknamed and attempted to discredit the Tea Party movement.

But the networks like this radical left-wing protest effort. On NBC October 5, correspondent Mara Schiavocampo gushed, "Three weeks in, and no signs of slowing. The 'Occupy Wall Street' protest growing in size and scope." Onscreen NBC declared: "Gaining Ground; 'Occupy Wall Street' Protests Spreading."

Signs of Extremism
If you're in doubt that OWS rallies are fueled by an entitlement mentality or that these protesters want the government to forcibly take from the rich (or worse), just listen to what some OWS protesters and their supporters say.

The We Are the 99 Percent website which shares individuals' stories includes complaints like "Knowledge should be free," "Teachers don't get the support and pay they deserve," "My high-speed internet and new car loan are likewise CRUSHING me …" and "I work for a Fortune 100 Company. My manager makes literally 10x more money than I do …"

One Occupy Chicago protester, complete in Guy Fawkes mask, held up a sign that warned: "Hungry People Don't Stay Hungry for long. They get Hope from fire and smoke as the weak grow strong."

Another sign at that protest read: "One day the poor will have nothing to eat but the rich."

Anti-capitalist and anti-bank signs abound at the protests including: "Capitalism is the Crisis," "Nazi Banks," "Tax the Billionaires" and "Capitalism Cannot be Reformed." Violent imagery like signs that depicted a tie turned into a noose could also be found. Other extremists signs like "End financial aid to Israel" and "America Failed As a Society Because of So Called Christians" also turn up in an image search for Occupy Wall Street protests.

Far left-wing billionaire George Soros and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, have made statements supportive of the protests. Actress and comedian Roseanne Barr showed her support by appearing at the New York protest. In an interview with Russia Today about OWS and bankers, Barr said, "I am in favor of the return of the guillotine," for the "worst of the worst of the guilty." She said she believes in a "maximum wage of $100 million."

While that might sound extreme, Barr's views fit right in at the protests. Some of the people protesting (or supporting the protests) actually want the violent destruction or overthrow of the capitalism system, like the Bolshevik revolution.

The loose-knit anarchist hacker group Anonymous joined the Occupy Wall Street movement in August, long before people showed up to occupy a park in New York City on Sept. 17. In an Oct. 1 video from AnonGuyNYC the creepy voice coming from behind a Guy Fawkes costume declared that "bankers are the problem." He called international bankers the "scum of the earth" and argued they have to be "brought to account." One of several possibilities he mentioned was "a real run on Wall Street where the public goes into their offices and dispenses frontier justice on their person."

With such an unorganized group of nameless individuals it is impossible to know if AnonGuyNYC is really part of Anonymous or simply adopting its theatrics to make a point. Certainly, Anonymous has plans to deal with Wall Street. ABC News.com (and other news organizations) reported the threat from Anonymous to "erase" the New York Stock Exchange from the Internet on Oct. 10.

So much for the notion of some "MSM Blackout" and their supposed "slanders" of the OWS goons
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Re: Tea Party vs Wall Street Hippy/Thug/Handout Crowd Campout
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2011, 12:31:40 PM »
HELP!  I can't reply to sirs' last post.  Every time I try, I get a full screen saying "You do not have access to php server number....." and more stuff about errors.  Jeeeziz.  I put a lot of time into that reply too.

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« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2011, 12:55:58 PM »
As an experiment, I just tried to respond to sirs' post one paragraph at a time.  Don't want him to think I'm ignoring him.

SHIT!!!!!  I tried and got this message:  VERBOTEN!  (Actually, Forbidden) You don't have permission to access /new3dhs/index.php on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Fuck it, I'll just wait a day.

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« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2011, 01:06:38 PM »
Don't worry Tee.  I'm quite accustom, as Kramer had referenced before, how facts to a liberal, is like kryptonite to Superman.  I'm sure you'll manage your rationalization mojo, soon enough.  Likely, it'll be a full scale attack on the messenger, while ignoring the factual message presented, and combine that with irreverent, albeit copious articulate commentary, on what the definition of is, really is
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« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2011, 01:15:06 PM »
Well, the attack on the messenger was for stupidity, not for being corrupt.  The reply basically analyzed your own post, or rather the article that you quoted, because it supports in every way what I was saying.  The basic idea is that the MSM attack on the OWS is not aimed at people like you, who already hate the demonstrators, but at the 18-to-35 demographic most likely to support them.  Thus they don't tend to use words like "radical, revolutionary," etc. as an attack, because the demographic is not as turned off by those words as you are.  The attack is based more on ideas like "scatter-brained, naive, unfocused, addled, aimless" and in another subset, "dirty, smelly, messy, littering."   Your article actually backs me up in a lot of ways.  Calling the demonstrators "noble," for example, is NOT an endorsement, it's a way of patronizing them and belittling them at the same time, because the "noble" is always followed by a "but" and then the REAL defamation follows:  "noble but misguided, ill-informed, chaotic," etc.  The "noble" is only meant to show the benevolent attitude of the writer and his or her supposed reluctance to trash these poor befuddled folk.

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« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2011, 01:21:26 PM »
Actually it supports, what you were saying, in the polar opposite direction
NO, the MSM hasn't been slandering the OWS protests
NO, the MSM hass't been blacking out their marching

Compared to how they treated the Tea Party Movement, it's been a well intentioned, even "noble" cause

The reason YOU OPINE of blackouts and slander, is that it's not biased enough.  You want them to literally be a propoganda machine, to ENDORSE their actions, which ironically, they already are close to being, at this point in history.  They're giving them great coverage with a great spin, but its not great enough in your eyes, so it must be because they're run by Corprate America, Republicans.......and....oh yea, the Jews

But the facts remain, and those facts debunk the notion of some form of ongoing blackout or slander by the MSM
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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2011, 01:25:40 PM »
<< . . . as Kramer had referenced before, how facts to a liberal, is like kryptonite to Superman.  >>

Very clever, sirs, but I'm sure you noticed how, the last time Kramer pulled that shit on me, I immediately challenged him to point out one instance in our (Kramer's and my) debates where he did NOT turn away from the debate after I had rebutted his "facts" with facts or arguments of my own.  Kramer still has not answered that challenge.

The debates have a kind of erratic trail to the:  Kramer makes some ridiculous accusation or allegation, I rebut with facts or arguments, and then Kramer, unable to answer the rebuttal, jumps to newer and even crazier allegations, which I rebut and he tries to defend, until he reaches an argument or a fact of mine that he can't rebut, at which point he jumps again to an even newer and crazier allegation.

"Facts are Kryptonite to liberals" is a mantra which you and your fellow conservatives love to chant but it's really ridiculous.  Your "facts" are mostly shit, and when they're exposed as such, you just return to the mantra.  I'd suggest respectfully, give up the mantra, and try to defend all your arguments with facts and logic.  The mantra can't save your ass from anyone who is following the course of the debate, it can only make you feel better every time I have you stumped for an answer.

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« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2011, 01:34:09 PM »
Not ridiculous, when its so consistently demonstrated to be accurate......this thread being a good example....that being your opinion of some MSM blackout, when not slandering the OWS protesters, debunked by facts.....Ergo, factual kryptonite to your supposed superman knowledge of what is, is

Thank you for playing
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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2011, 01:52:22 PM »
Your own article proves that the MSM does in fact slander the OWS - - it doesn't slander them by calling them all the names the writer says they are - - radicals, communists, revolutionaries, extremists, etc.  It slanders them in a different way, by saying that they are addled, confused, ineffective, chaotic, leaderless, etc.   The article you posted proves that - - just read it.  Their biggest tool in the slander is to post a list of the demonstrators' grievances and demands; in the example that you yourself produced, all kinds of silly demands were reproduced, but the key demands and grievances were left out, the ones you hear most often from the demonstrators all the time, were not in the "list" - - things like Wall Street and the corporations crashed the economy, looted the Treasury, bought the politicians who allowed them to do so, promote wars.  You yourself quoted directly a perfect example of the lies and distortions by which the MSM .  You obviously don't know what you're reading and the stupid bitch who wrote it doesn't even realize what she was writing.

The Tea Party might have been trashed by the press, but I don't think so.  In the beginning they had a lot of racist and fascist signs that showed up on the internet, then the signs disappeared.  There were some racist and violent incidents, then they cleaned up their act.  The MSM reacted late to the racism and fascism, but they were embarrassed into covering that angle of the story by the prevalence of coverage it had already gotten on the internet.

The MSM has only used the word "noble" when followed by the word "but" - - noble but confused, noble but naive and chaotic, etc.  "Noble" is a put-down - - it lets the writer look benevolently inclined and unprejudiced towards the OWS, and then immediately launches into all the usual MSM criticisms of the movement.

I was in NYC when the Occupation went down and believe me, there was an almost total blackout, right up to Sept. 30.   I read the NY Post daily, as well as the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal every few days, and most of the time the stories were buried deep in the inside pages.  All of them were the same - - a couple of hundred  youths instead of the thousands expected had shown up to "occupy" Wall Street from Zucotti Park.  They had dozens of inarticulate demands of every nature imaginable, but mostly against Wall Street, the banks and Big Business aka corporate America.  I didn't watch any TV.  I had absolutely no idea what was going on there.  Late one afternoon, I had to take the ferry from the foot of Wall Street to the Brooklyn IKEA store.  I came out of the Wall Street subway station and saw cops all over the place, moving around big steel barricades and talking to a few kids.  I was absolutely amazed, reading a newspaper every day and had no fucking idea that this had been going on in the city.  On the Saturday, October 1, when the cops arrested 700 people on the Brooklyn Bridge, a lot of people were shocked at the number of arrests - - the media had made it look like only a couple of hundred, total, were involved.

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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2011, 02:11:52 PM »
No, it does no such thing.  You see, that's your rationalizion of trying to redifine what is, is.  NOBLE and WELL INTENTIONED are NOT SLANDEROUS.  Rarely, was the term ever applied to a Tea Party protest.

What would be is if articles and reports on them included the more accurate words of radical, progressive, socialist, anarchist.  They don't, in fact, apparently only around 12% of reports include any of those words.  And compared to how the MSM represented the Tea party movement, its a slam dunk demonstration with kryptonic FACTS, quite the polar opposite of your debunked superman allegation of what is, is
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« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2011, 02:22:32 PM »
Noble and well-intentioned are synonymous with naive and utopian.

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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2011, 02:32:53 PM »
Yea, right, because history books were in the business of portraying medieval knights and heroes as naive       ::)

Someone want to pass on a link to the Liberal dictionary, so I can keep up with these redefinition efforts.  I'm sure its next to the reference of Wrangle where the Republicans don't say "S...." or "N....." any more, they just say "let's cut taxes"
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