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america is gonna have get off it`s fat ass now
« on: September 04, 2008, 01:10:25 AM »
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/21322/?a=f

the secret to americas technology is not because it`s america
it`s because it has ethnic people to draw upon on new ideas.
ex.einstein
until america admits this we`re gonna trail behind
and it don`t help that american culture is largely anti-education
ex. nerd,dweeb,geek,brain.
until urkel becomes something for kids to admire
we`re gonna keep slipping

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Re: america is gonna have get off it`s fat ass now
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 01:25:40 AM »
There are some interesting things going on in Asia, but this isn't really one of them. It only performs at 80% of the Intel, and it's only partially x86 compatible.

I agree China is on course to emerge as a strong competitor in technology, but they aren't going to do it this way.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 10:39:08 AM »
I agree completely that American culture deprecates innovators. Dr. Emmett Brown, the character that invents a time machine on the Back to the Future movies, was shown as a wild-haired, googly-eyed, agitated weirdo.

This is NOT actually any sort of typical of most innovators.

Most innovators are not typical of the cultures they come from: they tend to be off on the periphery. After all, most cultures still think that the Earth was assembled by some highly competent sky-creature just for humans to rule. This, despite the fact that most of the planet is covered by water, and humans are not really all that good as aquatic beings. About five minutes is all we can stay underwater for.

Most cultures are centered around ancient and illogical myths that one must discard or ignore before one engages in rational thought. The Chinese like to burn paper possessions for the dead to use in the afterlife. Christians think that Jesus is actually going to return. Jews are waiting for a Messiah. Muslims think walking around a building repeatedly actually makes God happy, and then there's all that  17 virgins for martyrs stuff.

Anyone who does not question these and other illogical beliefs is unlikely to become an innovator.
All popular cultures are like shackles that keep the mind from soaring. But American culture tends to belittle genius and any sort of nonconformity. The typical innovator is seen as a bit loony because he refuses to conform.

Thomas Edison did not think that cleanliness of body and clothing was good for him. Samuel Morse was greatly in favor of slavery, and ran for Congress from NY on a pro-slavery platform durn=ing the Civil War.

Over half of our engineers and scientists in the US were born elsewhere. It is likely that had they stayed in Iran, China, Japan, Croatia or wherever, they would have had to put up with the burdens of their cultures, but being in the US and seen as different enables them to put off such disadvantages. I am pretty sure that the huge restrictions put on the US for foreign student visas after 9-11 will greatly diminish the degree of creativity we have in the US. It will partly be replaced by Canada, which also has great universities and has not shut the door on foreign students so tightly.


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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 02:01:37 PM »
The Chinese like to burn paper possessions for the dead to use in the afterlife.


I do that every 6 months(roughly)
it pretty much goes against my baptist religion ,but us chinese baptist pretty much don`t care and do it anyway.

except for obvious safety reasons it doesn`t hurt anyone .
my backyard hasn`t caught on fire yet.

but such custom don`t really get in the way of innovations.
I believe we simply need exchange of thought to spur creativity.
popular science had an article about inventors which this group from various field come together to brainstorm.
stating that you need the difference to get thought process going.


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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 02:51:52 PM »
Especially since most scientists nowadays are specialists. Many inventions are a synthesis of several fields, especially the really innovative ones.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 03:30:54 PM »
exactly
remember the heinlein qoute
specialization is for insects

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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 04:14:56 PM »
Especially since most scientists nowadays are specialists. Many inventions are a synthesis of several fields, especially the really innovative ones.

If you mean drugs and cures for diseases, not so much. If you mean consumer products or industrial innovations, this is very true.

Some fields require intense specialization, others require a view from a different perspective.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 04:25:59 PM »
Some fields require intense specialization

what areas would that be?

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 04:50:09 PM »
Some fields require intense specialization

Microbiology, treatment of specific diseases, like cancer research.

Of course, all scientists are trained in scientific procedures, and in the overall areas of their specific fields.
Still, I would not expect petroleum geology would be useful to the curing of Altzheimer's.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2008, 05:51:44 PM »
botany and agriculture might be helpful
canibus today is hardly the same drug as the 60`s
actually geology might helpful in finding the best places to get nutrients or weapons materials
ex. potassium


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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2008, 08:55:39 PM »
ex. potassium

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How hard is it to find potassium in the small quantities a human might require?
A banana a day is supposed to be more than enough.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2008, 09:38:21 PM »
for humans not much but it`s very important for fertilzer
it`s the very reason guano is very expensive.

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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2008, 09:42:29 PM »
DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phosphorus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus

not potassium

I get them mixed up

it so in demand it may even get used up in a 100 years
as stated by the link

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2008, 09:54:08 PM »
How hard is it to find potassium in the small quantities a human might require?
A banana a day is supposed to be more than enough.

Recommended potassium intake is 4,000mg daily. A typical banana has about 350mg. So, 12 bananas would be required daily.
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