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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 04:23:33 PM »
Then it belongs to everyone like the parks and roads and health care system.

You've never been to state parks that charge? Never ridden on a toll road?
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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 04:31:44 PM »
These are questions you need to ask whoever is misleading you.

Who owns the backbone to the present internet?

Who would own the express lanes to a two tiered system?

Where in any existing law are there provisions to stop anyone from slowing down your access now?


I think the government owns the backbone now, don't they?

I have no idea.  But I know it shouldn't be corporations.

Exactly and that's why we need to pass the Net Neutrality law in order to keep that from happening.

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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 04:33:09 PM »
I think the government owns the backbone now, don't they?

ROFL

Last time I checked, it was a few corporations, like Sprint and AT&T.
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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 05:07:46 PM »
Last time I checked, it was a few corporations, like Sprint and AT&T.

Well, in a way, yes.   But then there's also this.

US Retains Control of Web, Worrying Foreign Critics
By Matt Moore
Salon
July 2, 2005
A unilateral decision by the United States to indefinitely retain oversight of the Internet's main traffic-directing computers prompted concerns Friday that the global telecommunications network could eventually splinter. "This seems like an extension of American security in the aftermath of 9-11," said John Strand, a Denmark-based technology consultant. "People will ask: 'Do the Americans want to control the Internet?'"

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/media/2005/0701webcontrol.htm


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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 05:09:36 PM »
The "root servers" in question -- 13 computers located mostly in the United States -- are the Internet's master directories. They tell Web browsers and e-mail programs how to direct traffic, and Internet users the world over interact with them every day, though most without knowing it. Robert Shaw, an policy adviser with the Geneva-based International Telecommunication Union, said he understood the basis for the U.S. decision: Root servers and other address-resolving computers lower down the traffic-management chain are vital and merit protecting just as much as cities, water supplies and highways. "Many governments are legitimately concerned that another country has ultimate control of basically their communications infrastructure," he said. Some countries have pressed to move oversight of the root servers to an international body such as the ITU, a United Nations group.

Though physically in private hands, the root servers contain government-approved lists of the 260 or so Internet suffixes, such as ".com," ".net" and country designators like ".fr" for France or ".no" for Norway. In 1998, the Commerce Department selected a private organization with international board members, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, to decide what goes on those lists. But Thursday's declaration means the department will keep control over that process rather than ceding it to ICANN as originally intended, though the United States said ICANN would retain day-to-day operational control.

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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 05:26:50 PM »
First, this is about the DNS services. The 'net would still work without DNS (though it would be a pain to update system names.)

Though physically in private hands,

As I said, the backbone is in private hands. Even the DNS root servers are in run by corporations.
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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 06:20:47 PM »
First, this is about the DNS services. The 'net would still work without DNS (though it would be a pain to update system names.)

Though physically in private hands,

As I said, the backbone is in private hands. Even the DNS root servers are in run by corporations.

So, what we've agreed upon then is that no one "owns" the internet and that while the corporations own/possess the actual servers, they share control with the federal government.  In a way, we were both right.  At least, I wasn't absolutely wrong.

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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 06:28:54 PM »
So, what we've agreed upon then is that no one "owns" the internet and that while the corporations own/possess the actual servers, they share control with the federal government.  In a way, we were both right.  At least, I wasn't absolutely wrong.

Nope.

The government does have control of the servers. They only approve the changes of high-level servers. And the DNS servers are not the "backbone" of the 'net anyway.

Using your viewpoint, we already live in a socialist society, since the government has oversight of every corporation.
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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 06:35:34 PM »
The backbone is the means by which a packet gets from point a to point b. Corporations oiwn that now, just as they would own a second tier.

Brass you have been misled.

And the Net Neutrality folks have done us all a disservice.


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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 06:47:15 PM »
The backbone is the means by which a packet gets from point a to point b. Corporations oiwn that now, just as they would own a second tier.
Brass you have been misled.
And the Net Neutrality folks have done us all a disservice.

I wouldn't say I've been misled.  I just haven't really paid attention to this debate very much.  Most of my opinion on the subject is my absolute disdain and mistrust of corporate types.  If they want to change something or don't want a law to pass my kneejerk reaction is to oppose them.

If they are wanting a "second tier" that must mean they are wanting to make some "more equal" than others.  The internet serves as a great equalizer and I don't want anyone to be able to buy more equality than I can.

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Re: An English Cartoonist worries on Net Nutrality
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 07:27:24 PM »
Brass

Would you like some time to bring yourself up to speed on this issue?

And content providers in a two tiered system would be as equal as content consumers in the present system who have dsl or cable vs dial-up.