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Plane

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Either this is a really, really, really bad translation, or Fidel is writing nonsense.  Or both.


Good point , both is a good bet.

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from the alleged Fidel Castro article:

<< . . . Certainly, every country will continue being ruled by those
who head the governments today, some very close to socialism and others euphoric over
the opening of the world market to fuels, uranium, copper, lithium, aluminum, iron and other
metals being sent to the developed and rich countries today that will suddenly disappear.

<<An abundance of food exported now to that world market will also disappear abruptly.

<<In these circumstances, the most basic products needed for life: food, water, fuels, and
the resources found in the hemisphere south of the United States will suffice to preserve
some of the civilization whose unbridled advance has led humanity into such a disaster.

<<Nevertheless, there are still some uncertainties. Will the two mightiest nuclear powers,
the United States and Russia, be able to refrain from using their nuclear weapons against
each other?

<<There is no doubt, however, that from Europe the nuclear weapons of Great Britain and France,
allied with the United States and Israel, --the same that enthusiastically imposed the resolution
that will inevitably unleash the war, which for the abovementioned reasons will immediately become
nuclear-- are threatening the Russian territory even though this country and China have done
everything within their capabilities to prevent the conflict.>>

Either this is a really, really, really bad translation, or Fidel is writing nonsense.  Or both.

What are you talking about? This nuke war with Russia, can't happen, Obama and the Russian went out for Burgers and the two men gazed into each others souls and a life-long friendship emerged that will stand the test of time.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20009073-503544.html

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from the alleged Fidel Castro article:
Either this is a really, really, really bad translation, or Fidel is writing nonsense.  Or both.
Havana Times:
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=25653


People's Daily
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/7044675.html
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First of all, I went through this crap again, double-checked again against the  Havana Times link posted by CU4, and it is definitely a terrible translation, grammatical errors abound as well as obvious translation errors.  Still, even allowing for bad translation, who is going to make sense out of this:

<< . . . Certainly, every country will continue being ruled by those
who head the governments today, some very close to socialism and others euphoric over
the opening of the world market to fuels, uranium, copper, lithium, aluminum, iron and other
metals being sent to the developed and rich countries today that will suddenly disappear.>>

What is going to "suddenly disappear?"  The "fuels, uranium, copper, etc." or the "developed and rich countries?"  How are either of them going to suddenly disappear?  This does seem to be nonsense any way you look at it.  My admiration and respect for Fidel are immense, but IMHO, maybe he has been engaged for too long in this business of politics and is overdue for retirement.

<<An abundance of food exported now to that world market will also disappear abruptly.>>

Same questions:  how?  the food will disappear?  or the transport of the food will fail? or both?  from nuclear radiation following nuclear war?  That's just crazy.

<<In these circumstances, the most basic products needed for life: food, water, fuels, and
the resources found in the hemisphere south of the United States will suffice to preserve
some of the civilization whose unbridled advance has led humanity into such a disaster.>>

???  The U.S. will have to invade Latin America?

<<Nevertheless, there are still some uncertainties. Will the two mightiest nuclear powers,
the United States and Russia, be able to refrain from using their nuclear weapons against
each other?>>

If Russia is going to fight the U.S., over Iran, why did they cave in to the U.S. and Israel and refuse to supply the anti-missile systems that they'd already sold to Iran?  That sale and Russia's reneging on it aren't even mentioned by Fidel.

<<There is no doubt, however, that from Europe the nuclear weapons of Great Britain and France,
allied with the United States and Israel, --the same that enthusiastically imposed the resolution
that will inevitably unleash the war, which for the abovementioned reasons will immediately become
nuclear-- are threatening the Russian territory>>

My point exactly, except for the inevitability of the war - - why don't the fucking Russians realize (a) that the U.S. threatens them; (b) that the U.S. can never be trusted (see the accounts of the "fall" of communism and the U.S.S.R. according to which the U.S. promised never to move into Russia's backyard if the existing system were abandoned;) and  (c) that it's now in their interest to stand with Iran against the U.S.A. regardless of immediate consequences (see Churchill's brilliant quote that "Each one feeds the crocodile, hoping that the crocodile will eat him last.")

<<even though this country and China have done everything within their capabilities to prevent the conflict.>>

Now of course that is not literally true.  Neither one has offered Iran the security of a military mutual-defence pact and neither one has stationed their missile-defence forces on Iranian soil.  At most, they have moderately delayed the Americans' plans for Iran or (if the plans are for intimidation only) they have made America's threats less credible.
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Plane

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Isn't it Fidel Castro who offered his whole nation as a burnt sacrifice on the alter of Communism ?

As I understand it , he was ok with Cuba being the near target in a nuclear war.

If that had happened Cuba would still be less habitable than Bikini .

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<<If that had happened[if the US had nuked Cuba during the Missile Crisis] Cuba would still be less habitable than Bikini.>>

Fidel's a genuine hero and a benefactor of all mankind.  He offered that sacrifice only on the grounds that it would result in the destruction of fascism and militarism in the U.S.A., which has been the scourge of mankind since the end of WWII.  A new era of world communism could have been ushered in, in which the exploitation of man by man would finally have become a thing of the past.   Russia and China together would have led the world, to be joined later by a new fascist-free America built on the ruins of the old.

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<<If that had happened[if the US had nuked Cuba during the Missile Crisis] Cuba would still be less habitable than Bikini.>>

Fidel's a genuine hero and a benefactor of all mankind.  He offered that sacrifice only on the grounds that it would result in the destruction of fascism and militarism in the U.S.A., which has been the scourge of mankind since the end of WWII.  A new era of world communism could have been ushered in, in which the exploitation of man by man would finally have become a thing of the past.   Russia and China together would have led the world, to be joined later by a new fascist-free America built on the ruins of the old.

How nice you make a holocaust sound.

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Really      ::)
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<<How nice you make a holocaust sound.>>

One big holocaust to make all the little ones inflicted by the U.S. on the rest of the world gone for good.

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Iran is only a minor threat to Israel and no real threat to the US. The reason to want a nuclear weapon is as a deterrent: the same reason Israel has them. There will be no war, and I do not think that Fidel is an expert on this at all.
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sirs

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<<How nice you make a holocaust sound.>>

One big holocaust to make all the little ones inflicted by the U.S. on the rest of the world gone for good.

Sure sounds like Tee is justifying to U.S. to pre-emptively take out those that would wish to radically alter & take over our country.  Well, at least we've got permission now
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Iran is not capable of causing a holocaust in the US. Or Israel, either. This is getting deeply stupid.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

sirs

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I don't think Tee is going to take kindly to being called stupid.  He is, after all, the fella advocating the holocaust of that evil empire, America, for all the supposed smaller holocausts at the hands of that evil empire
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The entire discussion is getting deeply stupid. There will be no holocaust over Iran, nor would there have been one over Cuba.
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sirs

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D'oh...calling Tee stupid for a 2nd time?  ouch
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