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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2008, 05:01:56 PM »
The idea that Hitler was a Christian is much like the idea that you're a Christian JS. Hitler was eloquent and like the serpent in the garden was able to convince people of any number of things contrary to God. Prior to taking power Hitler used Christianity, rather his twisted interpretation of it, to lull people to sleep. Once he was in power he put aside all pretense:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is  Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
 
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....

"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....

"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
 
"Christianity <is> the liar....

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....

"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....

"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."  (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
 
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."  (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
 
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics."  (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."

"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

(source: Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944_ published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953)

But I understand JS, you are inclined to believe people like Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Saddam Hussein when they tell you things. Especially when it props up your own prejudice, right? These are people you can trust ... right?

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2008, 05:06:12 PM »
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No, because the acts of Hitler and the Nazi were in no way Christian or following that of any of Christ's teachings.  Care to show me the scripture(s) in the New Testament that has Christ advocating mass extermination & world domination??  Didn't think so.  so again, no one is arguing about Hitler, or any other nutcase perverting a religion to push their own agenda....Militant Islam is doiing that currently.  What is being argued is that there's some inferred intimate connection between Hitler's nazism & Christianity.  There just simply isn't

What are you talking about?

We're talking about a movement in Christianity which aided the rise of Fascism. The Nazis did not invent Christian Nationalism, Sirs. Nor did the Nazis invent Fascism. Both Fascism and Christian Nationalism were developed and supported by Christians, both Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox.

To deny the connection in the rise of Fascism and Christianity is to blatantly deny the truth. As Prince has made abundantly clear nearly a half dozen times, this discussion is not about whether Hitler acted Christ-like, when clearly he did not.

As for scripture references, I've already shown you how the Southern Baptists used scripture to advocate denying African-Americans civil rights. One can play such games especially when dealing with those who do not care to understand theology.
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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2008, 05:08:05 PM »
The idea that Hitler was a Christian is much like the idea that you're a Christian JS.

But I understand JS, you are inclined to believe people like Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Saddam Hussein when they tell you things. Especially when it props up your own prejudice, right? These are people you can trust ... right?

Here's the other cheek brother. Go ahead.
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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2008, 05:08:54 PM »
The idea that Hitler was a Christian is much like the idea that you're a Christian JS.

But I understand JS, you are inclined to believe people like Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, Saddam Hussein when they tell you things. Especially when it props up your own prejudice, right? These are people you can trust ... right?

Here's the other cheek brother. Go ahead.

Where are these quotes from? For example, page 6 & 7 of what?

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They're only dropping peppermints and daisy-chains
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   Coat my eyes with butter
   Fill my ears with silver
   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2008, 05:09:14 PM »
>>So long as you continue to deny historical facts because they're inconvenient to you, and to make up strawmen arguments out of thin air so you can righteously claim superiority, I'm sure most of what I say will seem condescending to you.<<

I have yet to see you provide any proof to support your little tirade. All I've seen you do is deny. Is it your losertarian inclination again? Please, enlighten us all as to how Christianity played such a large part in the Holocaust that was Nazi Germany. Tell us all about how the Catholic Church supported Hitler, and how Hitler never persecuted Christians.

Please, go on ... Google quickly. Because anyone who believes Hitler was a Christian is seriuosly deluded.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2008, 05:10:10 PM »
The source is there "brother."

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2008, 05:16:29 PM »
The source is there "brother."

 ::)

Ah, "secret conversations."

You still don't see why that misses the entire point do you?

This is not about what Hitler believed. That has nothing to do with anything. It is about how Christian Nationalism and Fascism were formed and supported.  ::)
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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2008, 05:44:20 PM »

I have yet to see you provide any proof to support your little tirade. All I've seen you do is deny.


What, exactly, have I denied?


Please, enlighten us all as to how Christianity played such a large part in the Holocaust that was Nazi Germany. Tell us all about how the Catholic Church supported Hitler, and how Hitler never persecuted Christians.

Please, go on ... Google quickly. Because anyone who believes Hitler was a Christian is seriuosly deluded.


Oh for the love of pizza... no one said Hitler was a Christian. Pay attention to what people are saying and stop making up nonsense. You're really good at knocking down strawmen, Rich. Your skill is unsurpassed. Unfortunately, that's all you seem to be doing here. Christian churches (mostly Protestant as I recall since the Nazis were not fans of Catholicism) in Germany at the time did, for the most part, support Hitler. They even had writings of Martin Luther to support anti-Semitism. That said, since the Catholic church at the time was also anti-Communist, many Catholics were willing to a degree to ally themselves with fascism in Italy and Germany. If you look at Hitler's private comments about Christianity, yes, he is dismissive of it. However, Hitler's public comments about Christianity were not so dismissive. He played up the aspects of Christianity that suited his political ambitions. He used aspects of Christianity to control society. He supported the rise of "Positive Christianity". The notion that there was somehow no use of Christianity by Nazism is simply not supported by historical facts.
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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2008, 09:52:09 PM »
Whats most interesting about all this nonsense is that while radical Islam is doing everything in it's power to obtain nuclear weaponry, Kill Americans, missiles are being lobbed into Israel daily, Americans are fighting overseas, and all we still get around here is Christian bashing. And dont forget, this thread was originally about the most radical liberal ever to be nominated by the democrat party and the enormous problem he presents. Still, it's back to Christianity and Hitler, the Crusades ...

What waste of time.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2008, 09:57:35 PM »
>>They believed they were helping to bring God to the masses, and their tact for helping to do so was far beyond what God would have supported.<<

Actually the Crusades where along overdue response to Muslim aggression. In retrospect, it's to bad we didn't finish them off back then. We might not be forced to do it in the future.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2008, 10:14:52 PM »
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What waste of time.


Boo hoo.  Go then, there are other worlds than these.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2008, 10:16:29 PM »
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this thread was originally about the most radical liberal ever to be nominated by the democrat party

Wow.  I didn't know that FDR was mentioned.  Nor has Obama been nominated.

But hey, don't let those pesky little things called facts spoil your day.

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2008, 10:47:45 PM »
Fatman,

Dont you think Obama will be nominated? If not, why?

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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2008, 11:09:06 PM »
Actually the Crusades where along overdue response to Muslim aggression. In retrospect, it's to bad we didn't finish them off back then. We might not be forced to do it in the future.
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How would you have managed to do anything in the twelfth century?

There was no way that the Christians could have 'finished off' the Muslims then, just like there is no way they can do it now. The Muslims can't finish off the Christians, either.

The Germans tried their damnest to eliminate the Jews and the Gypsies, and did not succeed at either. And they didn't care about bad publicity, either. There were only six million Jews and even fewer Gypsies. So how is anyone going to wipe out over 200 million Muslims?

I think you should perhaps maybe consider removing genocide from your list of possible options. It isn't gonna happen.
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Re: Obama's Dimestore "Mien Kampf"
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2008, 11:42:17 PM »

Whats most interesting about all this nonsense is that while radical Islam is doing everything in it's power to obtain nuclear weaponry, Kill Americans, missiles are being lobbed into Israel daily, Americans are fighting overseas, and all we still get around here is Christian bashing.


Except no one was bashing Christians. Once again, Rich is victorious against a strawman.
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