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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Henny on November 26, 2008, 01:06:05 AM
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President Bush briefed President-elect Obama on the state of the nation this week.
I don't want to say things look bad, but Obama's new slogan is "Maybe We Can."
-- Jay Leno
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Saw a post title on DailyKos or somewhere.
Something like: Obama to hold third press conference on economy; Bush to pardon a turkey.
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Obama to hold third press conference on economy;
There is talk
Bush to pardon a turkey.
Then there is action.
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This pardoning a turkey bit is truly old. They pardon one turkey and send it off to the Pardoned Presidential Turkey Farm, then kill anther and eat it. Probably they kill many, the White House has a huge staff.
Every three years or so they do the trip to the Pardoned Presidential Turkey Farm somewhere in Maryland or Virginia, I think.
It is repetitive, boring and useless. Like every year you buy a thick roll of Xmas wrap and discover once more that the paper is wrapped around a huge diameter tube. Or you buy a chocolate Easter bunny and find out it's hollow. Like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.
How stupid do they think people are?
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Obama to hold third press conference on economy;
There is talk
Bush to pardon a turkey.
Then there is action.
Sadly, with this simple, pithy post, you have exemplified the exact pitiful mode of thought exemplified by the right for the last eight years.
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Naaaa, more so what was exemplified was instead of talking about (Iraqi) regime change, actions of this administration helped facilitate such
Brass, did you also notice in "The One's" rhetoric, he claims it's the deregulation policies of Bush that have largely led to the current economic crisis? The policies that actually were implimented by Clinton, and his economic team (that Obama is largely retreading now), and who made claim that it was those policies that helped facilitate the economic boon the left keeps trying to lay at his Clinton's feet, during the mid/late 90's.
Did you notice that? Talk about talking in circles
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Naaaaahhh, haven't really had time to listen to his pressers. I've moved from jubilant to "hopeful but guarded".
I still trust Barack Obama's judgment if not those who has has tapped so far.
I'm totally irked that he is picking all these Clintonistas from Rahm all the way down. I'm also filled with white hot rage at the Clintons themselves and the way they've insinuated themselves into Obama's cabinet.
I'm giving him till about week after the inauguration for him to sign something to get this country going again. He has no barriers. Any opposition from the right would be token and hypocritical, so he's basically got carte blanche.
It's also especially aggravating to have Obama and The A Team having to wait for 60 days while Earnest T Bass continues to break winders and cackle and pine for a yoon-ee-forum.
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Sadly, with this simple, pithy post, you have exemplified the exact pitiful mode of thought exemplified by the right for the last eight years.
The One hasn't been sworn in. The one with the authority to pardon is Bush at this point in time. And that was the point, pithy as it was.
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Naaaaahhh, haven't really had time to listen to his pressers. I've moved from jubilant to "hopeful but guarded".
The point being of course, the complete disconnect The One is having as it relates to trying to lay the current economic mess on Bush policies. A) they weren't his policies, and B), they were the same policies the left was jubilizing over as the supposed foundation to the 90's prosperity, when Clinton was running the show
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So Juniorbush is 100% exempt from "The buck stops here?"
Juniorbush, innocent bystander then, now sitting lame duck.
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Bush is responsible for that which he did.
Clinton is responsible for that which he did.
The roots of the current problem go back further than one administration.
The systemic fixes might to take longer than one administration.
The more i look at these knee jerk bail out the less i like them.
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If the bailouts work, that is fine by me.
What is important is that regulations to prevent this be passed and enforced.
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What is important is that regulations to prevent this be passed and enforced.
What regulations? That seems like a soundbite resolution to me.
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Precisely. Regulations to do what exactly??
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Bush is responsible for that which he did.
So, just curious, BT, what DID Bush do?
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So, just curious, BT, what DID Bush do?
As far as i know nothing. He certainly didn't encourage Freddie and Fannie to buy up a bunch of risky paper. He certainly didn't encourage those lenders who sold the paper to F&F to make those loans to less than credit worthy borrowers.
What do you think he did that created the financial "crisis" ?
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So, just curious, BT, what DID Bush do?
As far as i know nothing. He certainly didn't encourage Freddie and Fannie to buy up a bunch of risky paper. He certainly didn't encourage those lenders who sold the paper to F&F to make those loans to less than credit worthy borrowers.
What do you think he did that created the financial "crisis" ?
You got THAT right. He did nothing (except allow his fellow greed heads to run amuck)
http://thenewyorkcrank.blogspot.com/2008/10/yeah-lets-deregulate-everything-how.html (http://thenewyorkcrank.blogspot.com/2008/10/yeah-lets-deregulate-everything-how.html)
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/news/economy/rubin_benner.fortune/ (http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/news/economy/rubin_benner.fortune/)
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So, just curious, BT, what DID Bush do?
As far as i know nothing. He certainly didn't encourage Freddie and Fannie to buy up a bunch of risky paper. He certainly didn't encourage those lenders who sold the paper to F&F to make those loans to less than credit worthy borrowers.
Sure, you telling me what he didn't do, but I am curious to know what you might list as something or some things that Bush did do during the last 8 years.
What do you think he did that created the financial "crisis" ?
I can't remember a more obvious example of an attempt at "re-direction" in a post in all the days of 3dhs.
Maybe you could just indulge us and give us a little list of Bush accomplishments/endeavors/historically positive deeds during office.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20081024.html (http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20081024.html)
Cliff, from Brimfield, Ohio writes:
Secretary Gutierrez: This new website being lead by the Commerce Department. What kind of info will we be able to find out? Where will we be able to view it? and When will it start? Thank You
Carlos Gutierrez
Thanks for your question, Cliff. The Web site is www.EconomicRecovery.gov and it is up and running now. We’re calling it a “one-stop-shop” for the American people to find help to keep their homes, find jobs and protect their savings. It provides links to a wide range of important government sites that can be useful for families, workers and businesses during these challenging times. For example, a farmer can find information about USDA’s Farm Loan Program. Or an out-of-work American can learn about job opportunities in their state at a link to the U.S. Department of Labor.
Many federal agencies will have links to the Web site from their homepage, including ours, www.commerce.gov. We will regularly update the Web site, so check back often.
Tim, from Ohio writes:
How can you help our economy in the middle class?
Carlos Gutierrez
Tim, thanks for taking the time to e-mail me. The Administration is taking action on a number of fronts to help Americans and strengthen our economy: we passed an economic stimulus bill in January; increased Social Security benefits for seniors; extended unemployment insurance for those seeking a job; and provided help for homeowners struggling with their mortgage.
Most recently, we passed a substantial economic rescue package so Americans will continue to be able to borrow money for cars, homes and college tuition. The package will also help ensure that small businesses get loans to expand their operations and to create jobs for our workers. We know people across the country are hurting. This is a difficult period for hardworking Americans and it’s not going to be fixed over night. However, we are acting swiftly and decisively and we are confident the American economy will recover and return to the path of economic growth.
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Bill, from Roanoke, VA writes:
What is the administration doing now? I know there was a bill passed to help the economy, but what actions are being taken to follow through?
Carlos Gutierrez
That’s an excellent question, Bill. We know Americans are deeply concerned about the impact of the financial crisis on their retirement accounts, 401Ks, college savings, and other investments. But, we know what the problems are, and we’re working swiftly to fix them. The President announced several measures to shore up banks across the country and get credit flowing again, so that families can borrow money for cars, homes and college tuition, and so businesses can get loans to expand their operations and create jobs. For example, the federal government will use up to $250 billion of the $700 billion financial rescue plan for a voluntary program to inject capital into banks. Yesterday, Acting Assistant Secretary Neal Kashkari testified on Capitol Hill about our progress in specifically implementing the bill. I encourage you to read his remarks. Additionally, we temporarily expanded the amount of money insured in bank and credit union savings accounts, checking accounts, and certificates of deposit from $100,000 to $250,000. These are among the important steps we have taken. I can assure you that at every level of government we are working hard to strengthen our financial system and rebuild confidence in our economy.
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I can't remember a more obvious example of an attempt at "re-direction" in a post in all the days of 3dhs.
Considering it was your post bragging about Obama holding 3 press conferences about the economy and the resultant choruses of blame Bush shouldn't the focus be on what Bush allegedly did that precipitated the crisis, and that burden would rest on you.
I took the other side of the argument, saying he didn't precipitate the "crisis".
Some of the things he did that i have no quarrels with include NCLB, The Medicare Prescription Package, toppling the Taliban, toppling Saddam, the Vast improvements made to the VA system and the tax cuts.
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Considering it was your post bragging about Obama holding 3 press conferences about the economy and the resultant choruses of blame Bush shouldn't the focus be on what Bush allegedly did that precipitated the crisis, and that burden would rest on you.
I took the other side of the argument, saying he didn't precipitate the "crisis".
Well, I take a little humbrage at your characterization of my post as "bragging". It was, at most, a comparison but this is quibbling.
Some of the things he did that i have no quarrels with include NCLB, The Medicare Prescription Package, toppling the Taliban, toppling Saddam, the Vast improvements made to the VA system and the tax cuts.
Finally, a direct answer. Obviously, I have disagreements with some of the "accomplishments" you've listed but I really was just curious about what you would list since you, by my perceptions, seem to actively avoid answering direct questions especially regarding Bush.
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Finally, a direct answer. Obviously, I have disagreements with some of the "accomplishments" you've listed but I really was just curious about what you would list since you, by my perceptions, seem to actively avoid answering direct questions especially regarding Bush.
Speaking of avoidance do you want to explain how Bush is responsible for the current financial "crisis"?
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Didn't you get the memo Bt? The buck stops with him, end of story.
That said, I will criticise Bush for the rhetorical position he had in pushing home ownership to such a level, even if it required the government to help facilitate such
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What is important is that regulations to prevent this be passed and enforced.
What regulations? That seems like a soundbite resolution to me.
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I went into this in detail before and so go look it up.
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I don't think that Bush caused even one person to buy a house they could not afford.
Of course, when a real estate "professional" and a bankng "professional" tells you that you can afford a mansion, it must be difficult to argue with your wife or husband to the contrary.
The banks bundled mortgages, separated them from derivatives and sold them as solid investments, and "experts" said they were solid investments.
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caveat emptor
how long has that saying been around?
I'm guessing quite a while since it is in Latin.
Do they teach Latin in the Public Schools?
Do they teach personal finance?
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caveat emptor
how long has that saying been around?
I'm guessing quite a while since it is in Latin.
Do they teach Latin in the Public Schools?
Do they teach personal finance?
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It is a very old saying.
They probably teach Latin in a few public schools, but it isn't a required course,
They wouldn't need to teach Latin to teach what it means.
No, teaching personal finance would ruin the system.
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No, teaching personal finance would ruin the system.
I guess that adds validity to your claims of victimhood.
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Why do you suppose that schools do not teach personal finance?
Are school boards afraid of flack they might get from merchants and banks and credit card companies?
Are they afraid of what might be taught, that it might be "controversial"?
Or are they just too chap to hire a teacher and devise a curriculum.
There must be a reason. It is impossible to argue that it is not a useful skill, perhaps more so than, say, geometry.
I think a few actually do, but most don't.
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I think a few actually do, but most don't.
It's a graduation requirement in Minnesota. They teach the kids how to shop, plan meals, budget, look for bargains, etc.
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It's a graduation requirement in Minnesota. They teach the kids how to shop, plan meals, budget, look for bargains, etc.
This is a good thing. I am all in favor of kids learning these basic skills.
Minnesota, as you probably know, is a less corrupt and modern state, with higher standards than most.
Even the Republican Party there is less a tool of the establishment there.
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Even the Republican Party there is less a tool of the establishment there.
And most DFL elected officials are more like Republicans in other parts of the country.
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They teach it here as well. It's the economics portion of Home Ec.
My sister just retired from teaching that subject for30 years.
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http://www.congratulationspresidentobama.com/ (http://www.congratulationspresidentobama.com/)
Expectations high?
Sometimes it seems to approach worship.
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I think for a president to invite comments by the public is a terrific idea.
Admiration is a useful part of leadership.
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I think for a president to invite comments by the public is a terrific idea.
Admiration is a useful part of leadership.
I don't think it is official , it is a fan club.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27957089/?GT1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27957089/?GT1=43001)
Iowa - Want an example of the change Barack Obama is bringing to the country?
Check out cookie sales at Baby Boomers Cafe in Des Moines.
Ever since word spread about the president-elect and his family's fondness for Baby Boomers' chocolate chunk cookies, the small downtown restaurant can't bake them fast enough.
Like Reagans jelly beans?
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Like Reagans jelly beans?
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Perhaps. Both the cookies and the jellybeans had to be good to inspire such popularity.
In 1964, Someone came up with a soft drink called "Goldwater" in honor of the GOP nominee. When Barry G. himself took a sip, he exclaimed "What is this stuff? Tastes like horse piss!".
Which reveals many interesting facts abut all concerned. I never tried Goldwater, I can't say what it tasted like. But food and candidates are hardly deeply linked.
If this is a fan site or an official site, it will be noticed by the Obama staff. It's hardly a bad thing.
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Speaking of avoidance do you want to explain how Bush is responsible for the current financial "crisis"?
I've never said that he was. You INFERRED that I did but I did not mean to imply that he did or I would have said so directly.
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>>I think for a president to invite comments by the public is a terrific idea.<<
Sure. Maybe he should take advice from his daughters like Jimma Carter did. Afterall, that worked out really well.
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