DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on October 13, 2015, 01:46:18 PM
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The Party of Diversity Debate Tonight...but wait a minute it's a bunch of politician white people!
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Bernie Sanders talks like XO.
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Man....
None of these guys should pass third grade Math.
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I managed to stay awake for most of that.
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Math & Economics are not strong suits of liberal Democrats. But they ace Creative Writing & Acting
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I don't think Carson is a fake Black person. He appears to have been a competent brain surgeon. That does not make him an expert at running this country.
I think most Black people would agree that Barack Obama has done more for Black people than anyone except MLK. The opinion of some White guy from Texas who has never hired a Black person is not really the definitive one here.
Carson is obviously catering to the right wing GOP fundamentalists that will be voting in the Iowa primaries.
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And no different than Sanders & Clinton trying to out cater themselves to the Left Wing fringe fundamentalists that will be voting in the Democrat caucuses & primaries ::)
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Obama is not even a "real black" as far the American experience..
Obama is half white.
Obama was raised by rich white grandparents.
Obama attended mostly private and/or Lily White schools.
Obama was not raised in the ghetto or a poor struggling black neighborhood.
Obama's heritage has ZERO connection to the American Black slave experience.
None of Obama's blood relatives or family were descendants of US slaves.
All the above together add up to Obama not being any kind of US "real Black"
Obama has done more harm to US Blacks than any President in recent history.
Blacks have fallen further behind under Obama.
The unemployment rate dropped to 7 percent, but the jobless rate for blacks has hardly moved since Obama took office.
The poverty rate for blacks sharply increased, rising from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent.
Median income declined by 3.6% @ white households to $58,000, but fell 10.9% to $33,500 for black households.
The education gap is even more prevalent in urban centers such as Chicago.
According to the 2013 National Report Card, the gap in fourth-grade math test
scores between black and white students widened to 40 points, the largest gap since the national study began in 2003.
"The data is going to indicate sadly that when the Obama administration is over,
black people will have lost ground in every single leading economic indicator category"
Black Leader Tavis Smiley
ps: wrong once again....I have hired numerous blacks and often choose to hire numerous black contractors.
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I think most Black people would agree that Barack Obama has done more for Black people than anyone except MLK.
That is very strong!
In what sort of way do you mean?
Anything specific?
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Being elected senator from Illinois, for starters,
Being elected president, of course. That was a REALLY BIG DEAL for Blacks.
It is not up to you to decide who is Black, by the way. He would not be mistaken for a White person by any American. Therefore he is Black. And of course, his wife is 100% American Black, and so are his children.
He has been an inspiration to Blacks, just as Kennedy was an inspiration to Irish and Catholics. He has given some very effective and insightful talks on race during his presidency which you would never understand, and he has at least brought down two wars to a point where very few of our soldiers are getting killed. He saved the American auto industry, which McCain would not have done, and he has avoided armed conflicts.
And of course, the economy and the Stock Market were in terrible shape when he took over and the Stock market has risen over oits highest point and employment has improved. And now no one will have to go bankrupt because or previous health conditions.
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A) Being elected to anything didn't accomplish anything for any black
B) Stock market means that more of the rich got richer....so that's what your "happy about" now?
B) The Economy is still in piss poor shape, and let's not even get into the status of our debt & deficit
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Being elected senator from Illinois, for starters,
Non starter there.
Being elected president, of course. That was a REALLY BIG DEAL for Blacks.
Not really , if he had used this power positively it might be so , but being a high ranking placeholder does not put him in the league of Rev.Dr. MLK Jr.
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And factually demonstrated in Cu4's post, under this President and his party's policies, has done the most to harm blacks in this Country, since Jim Crow
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I was disappointed .
The Debate was about the moderators.
The Debate was about to the debate.
The Debate was about the race.
The issues got some mention, not too much.
My favorite and my runners up did pretty well , but were getting cut off a lot.
What if someone came to one of these events with a deep thought or an inspiring message?
You need to fight a moderator to get it said?
Christie is one of the candidates that I don't like much , but he dressed down the moderator and thus gained a point for me.
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The way the moderators acted, made it easy for pretty much all the candidates to dress them down
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Yes many of them punched back well against the biased ridiculous questions and media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQLfaXzgE-0
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Ted Cruz COULD have said something substantive, but he preferred to complain about how the moderators were mistreating him. Aww, Poor baby.
This guy has zilch going for him, and he has the voice of a cartoon duck. He sounds like poor old Hubert Humphrey.
He does not like the heat, but all he does is complain about the kitchen. What a loser!
The only Republican that actually made sense was John Kasich. The rest were simply loons.
While it may be true that Jeb! did not criticize McCain for missing votes in the Senate, that does not excuse Rubio from his gross absenteeism. Just because McCain was playing hooky does not oblige Señorito Rubio for trying to find a rhyme for it.
And I agree with Christie that fantasy football is a trivial issue.
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Actually that's the point...he DID say something substantive. And as a result, he, Rubio, and Christie had a stellar showing. Sorry to disappoint. Despite his standard answers, which were fine, Kasich was a non-factor, and Bush was a bomb
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All he did was bitch about how the moderators did not say anything substantive. That is not something substantive.
He said nothing about war and peace, the budget or employment. And he still sounded like a cartoon duck.
I shudder at the thought of this pathetic bitchy clown representing my country.
A pissed off cartoon duck.
I bet he turns out to be a one term senator.
Ted Cruz is a prick.
Prickus majorus teabagerousi.
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No, that was but a fraction of what he did. The rest of the time he was giving stellar answers to the questions posed. You must have been watching an alternate reality debate on MSNBC. Rest assured, you'll get a priceless version of what you thought you saw, on the next SNL episode
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I cannot imagine SNL doing a kit that would make Cruz look like anything but an ranting idiot.
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Which is why you're going to love their alternate reality version of the debate....much like what you thought you saw
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There is no way any comedy skit could made Cruz look intelligent or clever.
Just as no amount of make up could make Marty Feldman (Igor in Young Frankenstein) look presidential.
The guy may have all sorts of degrees, but he has the personality of an annoying loser. Negative charisma.
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Who claimed it would? That's the point of SNL...to ridicule. Which is why you're going to love their alternate reality version of the debate....much like what you thought you saw ::)
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Ted Cruz is a prick.
You are a racist and do not like Senator Cruz because he is Hispanic!
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Yeah, like my wife and my daughter
I do not like Ted Cruz because he is a prick. He is not much of a Hispanic.
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Hmmm.....isn't it you demeaning & dismissing Cu4's or my black friends, whenever you erroneously accuse us of being a racist, and we references those friends?? Should we not employ the same tactic you use?
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There is no way any comedy skit could made Cruz look intelligent
Yep.....lack of IQ....LoL ::)
High School Valedictorian
Cum Laude Princeton University
Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude
First Hispanic to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States
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Cruz may indeed be intelligent.
He does not, however, look intelligent. He looks like a ranting loon and sounds like a cartoon duck.
Appearances and reality often vary. Morgan Freedman and George Burns both could play God in a convincing way.
Ted Cruz has no real skills at convincing others that he knows the truth about anything. He flails and rants, but he only appeals to the few who already have been convinced elsewhere. He cannot convert, he cans only preach to the converted. I would not buy a car from Ted Cruz.
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You see C, for the left, it's not the subtance of what someone says, it's all about style & packaging
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Ted Cruz has the wrong message, and it is poorly packaged as well.
He has no workable plan for either domestic or foreign policy. He is pretty much Donald Trump repackaged as a form of weasel.
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Oh contraire...it's only wrong to socialists. For America, and Americans in general, its fantastic. And the packaging is all media, as in its how they keep trying to portray him
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Sorry, but this jerk looks even more like a dumb shit when he does his own publicity photos.
And he sounds just like a cartoon duck.
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Your Republicans-can-do-no-right-Tea Party-Conservatives-are-the-evils-of-human-existance opinion is duly noted.....and discarded for its exponential lack of any objectivity
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I know a cartoon duck when i hear one.
Most of Cruz's fellow Republicans think he is an ass.
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I'm a huge fan of many a cartoon duck....doesn't sound anywhere close to any of them. Must be more of that alternate reality you're referring to again, where up is down, wrong is right, bad is good, etc.
And the "Republicans" he riles, are those entrenched politician-for-life establishment type, who need to be shown the door. So, most grass roots conservative Republicans like myself, know that if they're upset, that's a GOOD thing
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We don't actually NEED a president that pisses off most of the population.
Cruz is so odious that he has no chance of ever being elected president. I doubt that he will ever get elected for a second term, now that Mexican Americans know that he is not one of them. His voice is irritating and his demeanor is annoying.
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Of course we don't "need" one, but since we already HAVE one who not only pisses off most of this country, but has also pissed off the vast majority of our foreign allies, its a safe bet that a President Cruz would perform all the better
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President Obama is respectful in his speeches of everyone. Cruz badmouths anyone he disagrees with.
But Obama was elected by a majority of the voters TWICE.
Cruz has zero chance or being president.
No one loves a smartass, but another smartass.
We shall soon see the percentages of Republican smartasses in Iowa.
I doubt it will be over 20%.
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More of that alternate reality stuff I see. Whenever he gets a chance, Obama is "badmouthing" Republicans, Conservatives, and even Christians, at every oppotunity. He presents himself as extremely thin skinned, and about as arrogant as any primadona, insulting anyone that disagrees with him.
When Clinton was running in 2008, no one thought this upstart Senator from Illinois was going to get the nomination, much less get elected. Could be history is repeating itself
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The Iowa primaries will surely demonstrate that Cruz cannot get a majority.
Obama spoke of hope and change.
Cruz offers inaction, fear and hatred.
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And as we all see now, Obama lied thru his teeth with his "hope & change" garbage
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He certainly brought change.
Now everyone can get health insurance.
Very few Americans are dying in Iraq.
The American auto industry has been saved,
Much of the economy has recovered from the horrible mess Juniorbush made of it.
In any case, that is not the issue: as a campaign strategist, Cruz has nothing to offer.
Shutting down the government rather than compromising is NOT what Americans want.
Americans have come to despise Congress for doing nothing, and Cruz is the most famous advocate of inaction in recent history.
He is a hate-filled prick who thinks his job is to put others down with feeble repartee that he thinks is witty.
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He certainly did bring "change".....worse than even his critics predicated. Changing of the country into a more socialist one, but since he knew he couldn't campaign on that, he lied thru his teeth.
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I am rather pleased with what Obama did.
Considering the horrible mess Juniorbush left behind, he has done a pretty good job and what he has not accomplished has been due to the idiot Republican'ts.
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Well of course you are, you're a socialist. And what's worse is that you justify all the lying and circumventing our Constitutional form of Government, because it's supporting your ideological agenda. Ironically, everything you'd be hypocritically screaming to high heaven, if some Republican President were to be trying to pull the same crap in trying to circumvent things such as EPA regulations, tax laws, or gun laws
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Now everyone can get health insurance.
Not really.
If it took such a big ______ deal to reduce the uninsured by half, what will it take to cover the other half?
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The solution is to extend Medicare, along with the option of Medicare Advantage options to everyone.
But Obamacare was still useful because now there will be no going back to the horrible system we had before.
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The solution is to get Government out of controlling the lives of its people, via their health. That is neither the function of Government nor a mandate
So "horrible", that the vast majority of the population supported and LIKED the idea of being able to keep their insurance and their physician
The ONLY think that could have been tweeked, is legislation to better provide access to coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. THAT'S ALL. It's the epitome of reckless irresponsibility to destroy something that worked WELL for most of the population, to try and help a small % of that population. And even then, they're still not all covered
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It IS the business of the government and SHOULD BE a mandate.
The health of the people is the health of the nation.
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The solution is to extend Medicare, along with the option of Medicare Advantage options to everyone.
But Obamacare was still useful because now there will be no going back to the horrible system we had before.
I disagree that it was horrible before.
I would grant that it could have used improvements , such as coverage for preexisting conditions, and a few other changes that could have made coverage more generally available.
These would have been tweaks, improvements of the sort that always happen periodically. If each of these improvements had been introduced individually most would have passed .
It was not necessary to bulldoze the whole house to install another bathroom and renovate the kitchen.
What we have now is built on the wreck of the old system with rubble as its foundation.
How dare the government presume that the government has rights to experiment with the welfare of the people like this?
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It IS the business of the government and SHOULD BE a mandate.
The fact of the matter that it is NEITHER, regardless your desire that it be. NOWHERE in the Constitution, does it outline or declare that the Government is to provide healthcare for its citizens. Did I mention, nowhere?
The health of the people is the health of the nation.
And Government interfering with that is directly making the health of the nation WORSE
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Not the case in any of the other nations that have universal health care.
Obamacare is not perfect, it is just the best thing they could get through Congress at the time. Now it needs to be improved.
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We're not "any other nation". We are the United States, with a CONSTITUTION that DICTATES WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN AND CAN NOT DO. And currently what it IS doing, is ruining healthcare in this country. I'm witness to it, 1st hand
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You seem to be REALLY OVERWORKED. Hell, I am retired, I am just wasting my time posting here.
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Yea, we're all overworked, having to do more, with less, and still try to provide some level of quality of care, that just isn't possible under the new parameters of healthcare being imposed.....BY THE GOVERNMENT
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You seem to just sit there all day waiting to post more dumb comments.
When is it that you work?
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They're called breaks, not that my job has anything to do with the point of the thread outside of my direct witness to the casualty of healthcare, thanks to Obamination care, and the Fed trying to take control of everythign it has no business taking control of
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Not the case in any of the other nations that have universal health care.
Obamacare is not perfect, it is just the best thing they could get through Congress at the time. Now it needs to be improved.
There is a lawyerly mistake made in Obamacare , it is ten times as long as it needs to be, and would be twice as good if it were half as complex.
What would have been wrong with a bill that only improved access to healthcare to the poor, and another bill that only reduced the obstacles of prior conditions?
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Improving access would have to make it cheaper.
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Improving access would have to make it cheaper.
Yes , or subsidize it better.
And of the two I consider "making it cheaper" the superior .
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We pay too much for health care at nearly every level. Insurance companies add a profit margin to nearly every level, especially because they have an incentive to do so,
When you are in an accident or having a heart attack, you cannot shop around. Hospitals do not post or even reveal their rates. That is why the government needs to set maximum rates.