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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2007, 10:44:24 AM »
Perfection is possible, of course.

We all can add 2+2 and get the correct answer, perfectly.

Paul was one of the greatest publicists of ancient times. I suspect that in the contemporary US he would have been a star salesmen and recruiter for Amway.

But leaving behind the destruction of the accumulated wisdom of the ancient world is to my mind worse than simply filling suckers' garages with overpriced SA-8 laundry detergent.

I am all for striving toward perfection. And this is best done when one keeps an open mind.

When one claims to have the Truth straight from God (as many Jews, Christians and Muslims do) it sort of deters from the advance of knowledge for us all.

The anti-evolutionists and the anti-stem cell researchists are the prime examples here in the US today.

The idea that the US should invade Iraq, a nation with 6000 years of civilization, and impose our style of government upon it is also a result of intolerance, and yes, what the Holy Mother Church calls the Mortal Sin of Pride.

Striving for perfection does not include voting for or supporting Juniorbush and his cronies in my book.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2007, 11:51:56 AM »
I would be wary of anyone who claims to know the Truth of God full stop.

As a Christian, I can honestly say that there are many aspects of Christianity that are extremely difficult and (I know this word has become derided here, but I'll use it anyway) complex.

Having read some Islamic and Jewish scholars, I don't believe they are any easier to fully understand.

In fact, it would take quite a bit of arrogance to claim that one has the full Truth of an omniscient Creator.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2007, 02:07:35 PM »
>>300 years ago would be around 1707 AD. There were MILLIONS of Native Americans. First Nations Canadians, and a host of others who were slaughtered because they refused to be washed in the Blood of the Lamb.<<

Really? Could you provide some evidence of this? Because you're full of shit.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2007, 02:19:21 PM »
Read Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and Vine Deloria's Custer Died for your Sins.

Or, you could remain ignorant.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2007, 02:24:10 PM »
I've read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and it's clear you're the ignorant one.

I'll ask again, please provide evidence that of ANY Christian church who's policy it was to kill Native Americans if they refused to convert.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2007, 02:27:42 PM »
The Churches did not force conversions, dummy. But Indians were killed for their refusal to adopt White Man's ways.

The Army was the enforcer.   

The result was the same. Dead Indians. Dead, unchristian Indians.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2007, 02:31:23 PM »
>>The Churches did not force conversions, dummy. But Indians were killed for their refusal to adopt White Man's ways.<<

Thanks for admitting you're full of shit.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2007, 02:34:43 PM »
Obviously there were some forced conversions in Christianity, otherwise Pope Innocent III would have never written his letter of 1201.
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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2007, 02:42:39 PM »
1201

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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2007, 02:45:30 PM »
Quote from: Richpo64 on September 13, 2007, 02:42:39 PM
1201

 ::)

But if Innocent III was moved by the Holy Spirit, then the date of the writing doesn't really matter, does it?

The Church doesn't think, or act in terms of days, weeks, or months. She thinks and acts in terms of centuries as she is moved by the Holy Spirit.

Our roots go back to the Apostles, not two weeks ago, or even the 16th century.
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2007, 02:48:08 PM »
>>The Church doesn't think, or act in terms of days, weeks, or months.<<

It doesn't?

So Vatican II really didn't change a thing?

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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2007, 02:50:44 PM »
Quote from: Richpo64 on September 13, 2007, 02:48:08 PM
>>The Church doesn't think, or act in terms of days, weeks, or months.<<

It doesn't?

So Vatican II really didn't change a thing?

 ::) ... again

No, it doesn't.

If you look at the roots of Vatican II, it was in the making for quite a long time. After implementation, it took quite a long time for the changes to take effect as well.

Though admittedly, it is difficult to argue with an eyeroll.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2007, 03:28:44 PM »
Quote from: _JS on September 13, 2007, 02:34:43 PM
Obviously there were some forced conversions in Christianity, otherwise Pope Innocent III would have never written his letter of 1201.

However, the error here is in looking at the creation, not the Creator. People are fallable, deal with it. Friggin' whiners.

I am half Cherokee. My heritage is full of the acts you describe. So? It is the past. Try to learn from it and Move on. Make a better present and future.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2007, 03:40:23 PM »
Quote from: Mr_Perceptive on September 13, 2007, 03:28:44 PM
However, the error here is in looking at the creation, not the Creator. People are fallable, deal with it. Friggin' whiners.

I am half Cherokee. My heritage is full of the acts you describe. So? It is the past. Try to learn from it and Move on. Make a better present and future.

OK.

1. Not once did I "whine."
2. Not once did I claim people weren't fallible.
3. Congratulations on being half-Cherokee, I think you've mentioned it before.
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Re: Evangelical groups make war on terror look like a Crusade
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2007, 06:00:10 PM »
on the matter of religion
I remember reading a sci-fi book called 1632
and in the book it mention how people think of religion
it`s basicly people practice whichever religion whoever is in charge practice
what i`m getting at is religion is not truely responsible for whats happening
it`s the a$$h@lls in charge who should be blamed.
it`s called sick and twisted interpetation
we are focusing on the wrong thing
it`s the people we should be attacking not the religion
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