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Title: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 07, 2008, 10:49:39 AM: (http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif)

"TALK OF HILLARY EXIT ENGULFS CAMPAIGN"

(http://www.drudgereport.com/logo9.gif)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: BT on January 07, 2008, 03:08:27 PM: Doubtful, but possible.

Depends on how much she has left in the campaign fund. I expect it is drying up.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 07, 2008, 05:37:06 PM: Drudge is a right wing asshole, and a Hillary hater.
Why would he NOT post some spurious lie to prevent Hillary from raising more money

Drudge telling the truth is as unlikely as Christians banding together for Less Government.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 07, 2008, 09:49:54 PM: Emotional, teary eyed Hillary video:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4097366 (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4097366)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: BT on January 07, 2008, 09:58:52 PM: (http://bp0.blogger.com/_t7AtsQ4hJu0/Rafw0rNl3-I/AAAAAAAAAK0/23WaxXQeRSo/s400/crocodiletears.jpg)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 07, 2008, 10:53:36 PM: obviously in your haste you dont get it
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: BT on January 07, 2008, 11:23:01 PM: Actually i do.

Politicians are humans. They get emotional, they get tired, they have doubts.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 08, 2008, 12:05:33 PM: "Actually i do. .Politicians are humans. They get emotional, they get tired, they have doubts"

BT I understand your point, but you didn't get mine.

My point was not that Hillary cried or teared up.
Of course that is a normal human emotion.
My point is what her reason was for tearing up.

Hillary seemingly teared up because she got her ass kicked in a primary.
We know how much political power means to her.
You can easily see how devastated she is.

Then you post a picture of President Bush with a tear in his eye
over some real catastrophic event like Sept 11th or a funeral.

You pretend it is comparable, but the difference speaks volumes.

One shows emotion over losing a freaking political primary race
and one shows emotion over sadness for someone else's loss.

Do you not see the difference?
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 08, 2008, 12:26:42 PM: Yeah, sure, Juniorbush cries for compassion.
Hillary because she lost an election.

How do we know that Juniorbush was not crying because Congress was trying to prevent him from torturing people, or cutting taxes again for the super rich?

Hillary will or will not leave the race, eventually. I am thinking she will be in it for some time. But to think that a scoundrel like Drudge actually is into more than crass propaganda is utter delusion.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: BT on January 08, 2008, 12:30:38 PM: Quote
Hillary seemingly teared up because she got her ass kicked in a primary.

That may have been a contributing factor but i think frustration and fatique played a bigger part. Coupled with her passion for what she does, and i don't have to agree with her to recognize that passion, she responded in a non programmed way.

If the question was a plant, then we will see how it plays out.

If it wasn't, she showed her humanity. And I'm not going to fault her for that.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 08, 2008, 03:17:28 PM: "depends how much she has left in the campaign fund. I expect it is drying up"

BT it looks like you could be correct.

(http://www.adobe.com/products/images/logos/time.jpg)

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2008/0801/hillary_tears_0107.jpg)

Clinton Faces a Cash Crunch

Monday, Jan. 07, 2008 By KAREN TUMULTY/MANCHESTER

Along with a change of her political fortunes as the result of her devastating loss in Iowa and dropping poll numbers in New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton's once-flush presidential campaign now faces a problem that few would have expected at this point: a sudden urgency to raise a lot of money fast.

With momentum against her and a battle plan that appears to be staking everything on the big and expensive states like New York and California that hold their primaries on February 5, Clinton's campaign is putting new pressure on its fundraisers to come up with the cash she will need to carry her through. "Clearly, by every measure, I hear they are in a real financial crunch," says one prominent fundraiser. "Here's the dilemma: You have a situation where there clearly is a full court press to raise more money, but considering the state of decline of the campaign, there's a real question of whether people are going to want to give. It's more than just raising money; you've got to give people a sense of potential."

One reason for the new drive to raise cash quickly is the fact that Clinton spent lavishly on what turned out to be a debacle in Iowa. Numbers circulating among fundraisers ? but not confirmed by the campaign ? suggest that the campaign may have as little as $15 million to $25 million left on hand. While that is enormous by historic standards, it is less than half the nearly $50.5 million she had at the end of September (when she enjoyed a significant advantage over Barack Obama's $36 million on hand).

What's more, campaign officials believe that Obama's Iowa victory has almost certainly been accompanied by a financial windfall for his campaign, particularly over the Internet, where he has had a far stronger operation than Clinton has. The Obama campaign declined to provide any figures, with spokesman Bill Burton saying only: "There's a lot of energy and enthusiasm, and it's continuing to increase."

Clinton fundraisers say there is also a new emphasis in the appeals they are getting from the campaign. Where they previously focused on bringing in $4,600 donations ? pressing donors to "max out" by giving the legal limit of $2,300 for the primary election and $2,300 for the general ? they are now being asked to drum up $2,300 contributions. "They started out running a general election campaign," says one. "Now there's a real fixation on the primary." The day after the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, the campaign staged a "callathon" to encourage smaller contributions.

Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson notes that fundraising has always been a high priority for her operation, which he says continues on sound financial footing. "We have considerable resources," he says, adding that the campaign is flush enough to be buying large amounts of air time for television ads in New Hampshire, as well as in South Carolina and Nevada, where the next two contests will be held.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1701153,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1701153,00.html)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 08, 2008, 05:14:43 PM: This must be a real hot topic on Rush and Hannity's shows.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Plane on January 08, 2008, 05:24:48 PM: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

http://www.hillaryhub.com/

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/01/fund.raising/

Clinton raises record $100 million, says campaign....

Is she out of cash after raiseing the most ?

If this is true then she certainly has the skills needed to make the Bush administration look good.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: The_Professor on January 08, 2008, 06:31:11 PM: Quote from: ChristiansUnited4LessGvt on January 08, 2008, 12:05:33 PM
"Actually i do. .Politicians are humans. They get emotional, they get tired, they have doubts"

BT I understand your point, but you didn't get mine.

My point was not that Hillary cried or teared up.
Of course that is a normal human emotion.
My point is what her reason was for tearing up.

Hillary seemingly teared up because she got her ass kicked in a primary.
We know how much political power means to her.
You can easily see how devastated she is.

Then you post a picture of President Bush with a tear in his eye
over some real catastrophic event like Sept 11th or a funeral.

You pretend it is comparable, but the difference speaks volumes.

One shows emotion over losing a freaking political primary race
and one shows emotion over sadness for someone else's loss.

Do you not see the difference?

"Hillary seemingly teared up because she got her ass kicked in a primary."

If I were a judgmental Baptist, I might say that using the handle of "Christians4LessGovt" and profanity might be, er, somewhat hypocritical. But, being a Pentecostal, I wouldn't. ;D
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: The_Professor on January 08, 2008, 06:32:21 PM: Quote from: BT on January 08, 2008, 12:30:38 PM
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Hillary seemingly teared up because she got her ass kicked in a primary.

That may have been a contributing factor but i think frustration and fatique played a bigger part. Coupled with her passion for what she does, and i don't have to agree with her to recognize that passion, she responded in a non programmed way.

If the question was a plant, then we will see how it plays out.

If it wasn't, she showed her humanity. And I'm not going to fault her for that.

Excellent point, BT. The pace these folks are going will fatigue almost anyone.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 09, 2008, 09:25:43 AM: One observes that now that Hillary has won a primary, all is quiet on this particular front.

There are soooooooo many more valid reasons to hate Juniorbush than to hate Hillary, after all.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on January 09, 2008, 01:42:54 PM: If I were a judgmental Baptist, I might say that using the handle of "Christians4LessGovt"
and profanity might be, er, somewhat hypocritical. But, being a Pentecostal, I wouldn't

I agree with you
You shouldn't.
Profanity is in the eye of the beholder.

It would be hypocritical if I believed saying someone got their "ass kicked" was profane
and still used the terminolgy. But since I do not believe it is profane it is not hypocrital.

Referring to Baptist' as "judgemental", well, now that may be judgemental in and of itself
and thus hypocrital?
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: _JS on January 09, 2008, 01:51:26 PM: Quote
Referring to Baptist' as "judgemental", well, now that may be judgemental in and of itself and thus hypocrital?

No, I think the word we're looking for in regards to Baptists is "heretics." I can see were there was some confusion though.

A joke, a joke!! ;D
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 09, 2008, 03:43:56 PM: Actually, the proper term for kicking someone in the posterior is to kick their arse.
Ass, meaning donkey, was used as a euphemism for 'arse', but then it came to be considered profane.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Brassmask on January 09, 2008, 08:29:28 PM: Quote from: BT on January 07, 2008, 11:23:01 PM
Actually i do.

Politicians are humans. They get emotional, they get tired, they have doubts.

I get misty over commercials if I don't get my eight hours every night; I can only imagine the stress these people are feeling from fatigue.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: hnumpah on January 09, 2008, 08:58:34 PM: (http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20080109/spo080109.gif)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Brassmask on January 09, 2008, 09:50:59 PM: Quote from: hnumpah on January 09, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20080109/spo080109.gif)

On the one hand, I can appreciate lying to a pollster. It really is none of their business and it only is utilized by candidates to figure out how lazy can they be.

On the other hand, it can lead to distrust of the outcome of elections. Lots of exit polls in 2004 showed that Kerry was the clear winner. When Bush "won", it only amped up my distrust of the whole process especially where electronic voting machines were in use. (Like my own polling station)
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Lanya on January 10, 2008, 03:42:59 AM: Right about now, I'm getting lots of calls about "issues."

I just say, Is this a paid poll? They say, No. OK, good bye.
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on January 10, 2008, 11:12:19 AM: I have noticed that they are uninterested in your actual opinion.

They ask questions like "How do you feel about limited Las-Vegas gaming at horse and dogtracks, which will provide up to 5000 jobs and will allow the county to lower your property taxes?"
Title: Re: Hillary is about to quit? Can this really be happening?
Post by: The_Professor on January 10, 2008, 12:35:04 PM: Quote from: ChristiansUnited4LessGvt on January 09, 2008, 01:42:54 PM
If I were a judgmental Baptist, I might say that using the handle of "Christians4LessGovt"
and profanity might be, er, somewhat hypocritical. But, being a Pentecostal, I wouldn't

I agree with you
You shouldn't.
Profanity is in the eye of the beholder.

It would be hypocritical if I believed saying someone got their "ass kicked" was profane
and still used the terminolgy. But since I do not believe it is profane it is not hypocrital.

Referring to Baptist' as "judgemental", well, now that may be judgemental in and of itself
and thus hypocrital?

Yep.