Obama lawyers want the military to continue to bar openly gay people!

[BT]

And now with the passage of Prop 25, and the defeat of 23, the Unions haven't been in this strong a position of controlling a state's government, in quite a while

And so?

People won't vote your way unless it is their best self interest to vote your way.

What percentage of the workforce in Cali is union? 20-25%?

Work the other 75%.

As if unions are a given to vote dem. Reagan didn't think so, neither did the teamsters.

[sirs]

You're obviously not paying attention Bt.  The state is in an absolute freefall, and the electorate just voted in an all Dem Executive brance, to compliment no Democrat incumbant that lost a seat in the Legislature to a Republican

[BT]

and?

Change the dynamics of the game instead of whining about it. Where are the voters, how do you get them?

Is the conservative philosophy so bankrupt that it can't be sold on it's own merits?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Is the conservative philosophy so bankrupt that it can't be sold on it's own merits?
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California has a big mess due to its own voters, both conservatives and liberals alike.

They passed a proposition in the 1980's that made it necessary to have a 2/3rds majority to raise taxes. There are a rather pitiful minority of conservatives in the legislature, but more than a third, so taxes cannot be raised.

Voters can, however, enact programs with a simple majority. The legislature can raise salaries with a simple majority.

So the state can raise expenditures without raising revenues. It is a bipartisan mess that appears to have only one solution: throw out a few more Republicans.

They could also throw out a huge number of Democrats, but that is far less likely.

Jerry Brown is smarter than Arnold. Let's see what he does.

[Christians4LessGvt]

I hope Cali makes it even harder on business so they'll move to my state!
(sorry sirs and kramer)

[BT]

I hope Cali makes it even harder on business so they'll move to my state!
(sorry sirs and kramer)

Aren't the demographics for both states about the same?

[Christians4LessGvt]

[kimba1]

texas!

a buddy of mine was raised in europe and had all the stuck up attitude against american foods. then he did a job in dallas and eat some of the food there and totally did a 180. he totally love southern cuisine.

he even learn to eat in our speed,it`s still not easy for him to eat that way but it`s worth it to eat the food.

some day I gotta good to you neck of the woods and try it out.

[sirs]

and?  Change the dynamics of the game instead of whining about it. Where are the voters, how do you get them?  Is the conservative philosophy so bankrupt that it can't be sold on it's own merits?

The GOP has been turned into a caricature of its once conservative foundation, within this state.  You have a few outstanding conservatives, but alas, the GOP establishement ususally runs to the middle and supports folks like Whitman & Aunold.  To much belief in compromise as the solution

But the point I made prior stands unrefuted, as the the control both the Dems & Unions have on this state's Government


Oh, great post, Cu4

[BT]

You have a few outstanding conservatives, but alas, the GOP establishement ususally runs to the middle and supports folks like Whitman & Aunold.  To much belief in compromise as the solution

But the point I made prior stands unrefuted, as the the control both the Dems & Unions have on this state's Government

Guess that is why they have elections. And primaries.

But you still didn't answer why the conservative message in California is so distasteful to the majority of voters, yet in Texas that message is sopped up like sauce on a biscuit.

[sirs]

Again, someone's not paying attention.  We just had elections.  The conservative message is great.  The politicians and GOP establishment here however believe compromise is key.  And ironically why they keep losing, though the union message, power, money, and influence can't be ignored either

[BT]

The politicians and GOP establishment here however believe compromise is key.  And ironically why they keep losing

So even California conservatives don't believe in the superior merits of their arguments, what with the tendency to run candidates that compromise at the drop of a donation dime. Obviously the Cali voters are not being presented a clear choice.

[sirs]

Obviously

[BT]

Obviously

Is there another reason that Cali GOP voters do not elect conservative politicians to represent them in the general elections, and instead opt for compromisers? Is it the message or the messengers. And don't tell me the state party has so much control over who runs in the primary that only compromisers need apply. We have seen that doesn't hold true in other states, is it a Cali thing?

[sirs]

Union, power, money, and influence.  Not to mention the most densely populated (read voters) regions are being properly led to the slaughter (read, more and more government programs, they end up relying on, and "entitled to")

Whitman won the primary because she presented herself as a hard core fiscal & social conservative.  As soon as she won the primary she literally had whiplash in her effort to compromise those principles to get to the middle

Same with Aunold