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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2015, 08:56:03 AM »
There are very few jobs that can be hidden. In Miami, it is the sort of jobs that hire only foreigners who do not speak English: Spanish speakers oin the needle trades and construction, restaurant work, nail salons and restaurants in the Chinese-speaking community.

Hiring Spanish and Chinese speaking enforcement people could end this abuse.
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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2015, 09:12:10 PM »


Hiring Spanish and Chinese speaking enforcement people could end this abuse.

  And Vietnamese.

    Isn't this difficult?

      I suppose that a really fluent translator commands good pay because the skill is scarce among the qualified.

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« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2015, 09:40:34 PM »


The idea of raising pay due loss increases equals radicall increasing to extreme has no bearing at all.

None of this has anything to do with stimulating the economy. At least raising pay will let people buy more stuff.

  I think it applies to the economic effect.

    Because you can't by legislation declare that the dollars I have are worth more than the dollars you have.

     If the dollars an employer spends gets him half as many employees today as they did yesterday then the value of everyone's dollar is cut in half.

       All the difference is only a matter of time lag, no raise will do anything but temporarily put a wage earner ahead , or temp catch him up.

        In Switzerland where there is no minimum wage, there is not a major problem thereby, if you want to hire a Swiss you have to pay him what he is worth , then when he spends it he is spending the value he created with his hands.

          Whatever you make whether it is a watch , or the secure perimeter as a watchman, you create a certain amount of value, and this amount is not changed by government redefinition of the worth.

 

 

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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2015, 10:55:36 PM »
Switzerland lacks manpower, because of the aging of the population and the reluctance of the Swiss to admit foreigners.

Government translators never are paid much. The EEOC has almost no one in Miami Dade County that speaks Spanish.
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« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2015, 12:39:21 AM »
but if we refer to  the the swiss model then that mean we must admit the employers in america owes more pay to thier empyyee due to not paying them enough. I've several times with never a disagreement state minimum wage has never kept up with thr cost of living fir over a decade. The repeated theme here is pay for the value of the work and all data suggest we've been very sub par on the matter. As such it has hurt the businesses who want to stiff thier workers

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« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2015, 09:19:20 AM »
To impose a Swiss model, you must first make a sufficient percentage of Americans think like the Swiss. This would require that the US have a history similar to that of Switzerland, isolated by mountains and cultural divisions from neighbors. That is simply impossible.
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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #81 on: June 05, 2015, 05:01:19 PM »
Fourteen to one, in favor.
 
That was the Los Angeles City Council vote to raise, over the next five years, the city’s minimum wage from $9 an hour to $15. Of course, as Investor’s Business Daily tells us, the $15 per hour really is closer to $20.

How does it get to $20?

Investor’s Business Daily says: “Once all the nonwage costs are added, including payroll taxes, paid sick leave and the big one – Obamacare’s employer mandate – minimum compensation for a full-time worker could rise as high as $19.28 an hour by 2020, an IBD analysis finds. That would amount to a jump of $10.67, or 124 percent, since June 2014.”
 
How cynical is the push for higher minimum wage?

The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now traveled from state to state, collecting signatures to place minimum wage increase initiatives on ballots. To pull this off, the organization needed to hire lots of workers. In 1995, ACORN came to California to gather signatures for a higher minimum wage. But ACORN sued the state, seeking to exempt itself from California’s minimum wage and overtime laws. Its brief read, “The more ACORN must pay each individual outreach worker – either because of minimum wage or overtime requirements – the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire.”
 
Not cynical enough?
 
Union leaders, who successfully lobbied for L.A.’s $15-an-hour minimum wage, then asked for an exemption for any firms using union labor! Repeat: the very same union leaders who successfully lobbied for a $15-an-hour minimum wage then wanted an exemption for businesses that employ union labor and negotiate their wages under collective bargaining. Union bosses want the fear of a $15 minimum wage hike to push companies into unionizing their labor forces.
 
This push for a higher minimum wage will mostly hurt women – a constituency the left claims to care so much about. According to the National Women’s Law Center, women are at least half of the minimum wage workers in all 50 states. In New Hampshire, Arkansas, Maine and Pennsylvania, 70 percent of the minimum wage workers are female.

Before the ever-increasing minimum wage laws took effect, a black teenager was slightly more likely to be employed than a white teenager. Economist Walter Williams writes: “In the 1940s and 1950s … teenage unemployment among blacks was slightly lower than among whites, and black teens were more active in the labor force as well. All of my classmates, friends and acquaintances who wanted to work found jobs of one sort or another.”
 
Minimum wage and other New Deal policies, according to CATO’s Jim Powell, cost jobs: “The flagship of the New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act, passed in June 1933. It authorized the president to issue executive orders establishing some 700 industrial cartels, which restricted output and forced wages and prices above market levels. The minimum wage regulations made it illegal for employers to hire people who weren’t worth the minimum because they lacked skills. As a result, some 500,000 blacks, particularly in the South, were estimated to have lost their jobs.”
 
Today’s push for a higher minimum wage occurs as the supposed “pay gap” between male and female millennials now approaches extinction. Pew Research Center says: “(T)oday’s young women are the first in modern history to start their work lives at near parity with men. In 2012, among workers ages 25 to 34, women’s hourly earnings were 93 percent those of men. … And women in the younger age cohort were significantly more likely than their male counterparts to have completed a bachelor’s degree – 38 percent versus 31 percent in 2013.”
 
Two years ago, Elissa Shevinsky, described as a “social justice warrior,” complained about “sexism” in high-tech industries. She argued for policies to encourage more women in tech. But Shevinsky later had an epiphany: “I think the more important meaning is to actively choose a path that’s yours – for women to create their own companies and their own infrastructures, to actively seek out people and create places that are a fit for them. Women are martyring themselves trying to change the existing culture, and it’s miserable for everyone.”
 
In other words, stop acting like victicrats – and take control. Shevinsky now says, “Complaining can be effective but also authoritarian, and often unpleasant for everyone involved. Building something new can be even more impactful, and I believe it’s a healthier approach.”
 
Former Sony Pictures co-chief Amy Pascal gives equally blunt advice about knowing and getting what you’re worth. After the Sony cyberattack revealed that the studio head paid star Jennifer Lawrence less money than her less-popular male costars, Pascal offered this defense: “Here’s the problem. I run a business. People want to work for less money; I’ll pay them less money. I don’t call them up and say, ‘Can I give you some more?’ Because that’s not what you do when you run a business. The truth is, what women have to do is not work for less money. They have to walk away. People shouldn’t be so grateful for jobs. … People should know what they’re worth.”
 
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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #82 on: June 05, 2015, 05:13:49 PM »
Recently Disney has decided to contract with some staffing company to replace a lot of its better paid American workers  with Indians on H-1 visas. Not only that, but before Mickey and Goofy throw their loyal American eorkers away, they will make then train their untrained foreign replacements.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Capitalism at work.
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« Reply #83 on: June 05, 2015, 05:14:44 PM »
Recently Disney has decided to contract with some staffing company to replace a lot of its better paid American workers  with Indians on H-1 visas. Not only that, but before Mickey and Goofy throw their loyal American eorkers away, they will make then train their untrained foreign replacements.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?_r=0

Capitalism at work.
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« Reply #84 on: June 05, 2015, 05:17:47 PM »
And it had nothing to with minimum wage but simple  reorganization for max profit which the core cause of the majority of outsourcing being done.

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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #85 on: June 05, 2015, 05:36:43 PM »
That's not so much captalism as it is taking advantage of our upside down immigration laws.  The law was there to supposedly allow foreigners to work at jobs "Americans weren't doing".  And yet, here we have a clear demonstration of jobs Americans were not only doing, but then ordered to train those to take their places, when they were fired
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Re: McDonalds answers Left ridiculous demand for $15 min wage!
« Reply #86 on: June 05, 2015, 07:08:50 PM »
Here where I don't understand how it's not a violation of use of h-1b visa. H-1b clearly states it cannot be used to replace an exact job an American workers is doing . But if an existing worker is training such a worker to do his job then isn't that a violation of the h-1b visa?

We can hire overseas worker but the act of training them to replace is a violation isnt it?

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« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2015, 07:13:14 PM »
Forgot to mention these companies claim not enough American qualified workers but they used laidoff existing worker to stay long enough to train the h-1b workers to do thier jobs.

Looks like a violation to me

I'm claiming bullshit

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« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2015, 07:18:08 PM »
It's clearly a violation.  The whole notion of the visas was to give jobs to those foreigners that Americans weren't doing.  Here we have a clear case of Americans doing precisely the job, but companies, being pushed by ever expanding government regulations & mandates, topped with Obamination care, are using the immigration law to lower their overhead.  There really can be no other reason
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« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2015, 09:42:30 PM »
The Americans are making around 100K per year, plus benefits, the Indians will be getting $60K plus lesser benefits.

This sounds exactly like something illegal to me. It is this sort of crap that makes unions necessary.

Let us see who denounces this among the Presidential candidates and who prefers donations from Disney.
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