Disney Vs Georgia

[sirs]

When if comes to trying to make a rational argument,  we dont have to go far to see how that's not done.  Pray tell, where, in this entire country, is the argument being made that vaccines are counter to religious practice

[kimba1]

Not arguement just saying some groups like rhe christian scientist are against vaccines and certain medicals procedures. I believe jehova witness don't believe in receiving blood transfusions.


Just stating various examples which of religions refusals.

[sirs]

Yes, you're going to find some people against something, everywhere.  The issue here is who's using the bible or their faith to oppose vaccines? 

And blood transfusions are different, since that's completely the choice of the person who the transfusion would be for.  Are you advocating that the Government force someone to have a blood transfusion, if they needed one??

[Xavier_Onassis]

Vaccines go into the bloodstream. Blood was seen as sacred .
Government does not demand that people get transfusions. As a rule, the doctor says somnething like "you can get a transfusion, or you can die". This convinces most people.  Christian "Scientists" on the other hand, do not agree to have transfusions, and therefore are entitled to have the words "the Late" preceding their names, as a rule. The power of prayer is far less effective then modern medicine.

People have a right to refuse treatment. They own their bodies and have the absolute right to control them in my opinion.

[kimba1]

i did state some christians scientist opposes vaccines and i think they do bloodless surguries. Not sure how safe that is.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The government cannot and should not force anyone to have a blood transfusion.

This is about the bogus concept that anyone with a business open to the public should be given the option of refusing to provide their advertised service of expertise based on some religious belief. I say they should not. Religion is not about denying people anything.

[sirs]

Vaccines go into the bloodstream. Blood was seen as sacred .

The question has yet to be answered....who's using the bible or their faith to oppose mandatory vaccines? 

Government does not demand that people get transfusions.

Apparently Kimba brought up Jehova Witnesses, which indeed have made a decision based on their faith, not to obtain a particular treatment (blood transfusion).  That's why I asked why bring it up, if not to support a notion that Government should be able to.  More clarity as to why it was brought up is in order, I would imagine

And just fyi, I  know about all the "rules" regarding what Doctors do, say, order, and expect.  I work with them, on a daily basis

[Xavier_Onassis]

Good for you!

[kimba1]

I said Christian scientist and I think various area here in the u.s. has stopped religious exemption due these outbreaks recently.

[Plane]

The government cannot and should not force anyone to have a blood transfusion.

This is about the bogus concept that anyone with a business open to the public should be given the option of refusing to provide their advertised service of expertise based on some religious belief. I say they should not. Religion is not about denying people anything.

You do not see the contradiction included ?

If you were a woodcutter would you like it when the government required you to provide the wood for a which burning?

If you were a brick mason would you feel hard twards the government requiring you  to build a cremation oven in a concentration camp?

If you were a translator would you refuse to translate the results of a tortured confession?

Think on it , all three of these things have been done by governments, I don't think it would be hard to have a longer list of equally objectionable coercions.

But this is all different when the government is forcing something that you agree with?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wedding cakes and photographs are not crematoriums.

I mean,. get real. This is not religion, it is just bigotry.

[Plane]

Wedding cakes and photographs are not crematoriums.

I mean,. get real. This is not religion, it is just bigotry.

On your part perhaps.

How long have you been Pope?

Or what credential do you have to determine what is and is not religion?

I don't suppose it is even possible that you could be required by the government to do something you found disgusting, if the government wants it , it must be good.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You cannot convince me that cake baking and photography are acts or religious persecution.

[Plane]

I probably couldn't convince you that Pi is irrational unless you were open to the notion.

Yet it is not subjective.

Pi is irrational.

Being forced to perform is not freedom.

Opinion notwithstanding.

[Xavier_Onassis]

One is free to have a business open to the public. One is not free to use it for bigotry,