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ELECTION
After Obama victory, an outbreak of racial anger
Some in U.S. acting out on feeling of loss spurred by election of black president.
By Jesse Washington
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sunday, November 16, 2008
Crosses burning. Children chanting, "Assassinate Obama." Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars.
Reports of incidents such as those across the country are dampening the glow of racial progress and harmony that bloomed after the election of Democrat Barack Obama, an African American, to the presidency.
From California to Maine, police have documented a range of incidents, including vandalism, threats and at least one physical attack. There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes.
In Snellville, Ga., Denene Millner said that a day after the election, a boy on a school bus told her 9-year-old daughter that he hoped "Obama gets assassinated." That night, Millner said, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door.
"It definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with," said Millner, who is black. "And makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking."
Potok, who is white, said he thinks there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them."
Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old Georgia native who is white, expressed similar sentiments. "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades, and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change," Griffin said.
A black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries."
The day after Obama's victory, high school student Barbara Tyler, who is black, of Marietta, Ga., said that she heard hateful comments about him from white students. Tyler spoke at a news conference by the Georgia chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People during which the group called for a town hall meeting to address complaints about hostility and resentment.
Other incidents include:
• Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free expression.
• In Standish, Maine, a sign in the Oak Hill General Store said, "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said.
• Elementary students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted, "Assassinate Obama," a district official said.
• University of Alabama professor Marsha Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur, she said.
• Alie Kamara, a black teen in New York, said that on election night he was attacked with a bat by four white men who shouted, "Obama." Police said Saturday that two 18-year-old white men were arrested Friday. Ralph Nicoletti and Bryan Garaventa face charges of hate-crime assault and criminal possession of a weapon, police said.
Emotions are often raw after political campaigns, and for some of those on the losing side, black people are an easy target for their anger, an expert said.
"The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist. "If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race.
"We saw the same thing happen after the 9/11 attacks as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country."
Additional material from The New York Times.
Find this article at:
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/11/16/1116obamaracial.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/11/16/1116obamaracial.html)
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Nice.
But hey, we've been feeling the left wing love for eight years.
Try some. You deserve it.
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Racial problems may be cropping up now, but I think it's safe to say that a whole LOT of white Americans voted for Obama, thus showing where the heart of true America is with race relations.
Moreover, I would venture to guess that the majority of those who voted for McCain voted that way because of political issues - not skin color, and that those same Republicans *do* feel a sense of pride that an African-American has been elected president, even if they don't agree with anything else.
It is a terrible shame that these things are happening, but truly I think it's the "KKK-type" minority that is making a lot of noise. It is simply counterintuitive to think it could be anything else, as the black man DID win the election.
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ELECTION
After Obama victory, an outbreak of racial anger
Some in U.S. acting out on feeling of loss spurred by election of black president.
By Jesse Washington
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sunday, November 16, 2008
Crosses burning. Children chanting, "Assassinate Obama." Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars.
Reports of incidents such as those across the country are dampening the glow of racial progress and harmony that bloomed after the election of Democrat Barack Obama, an African American, to the presidency.
From California to Maine, police have documented a range of incidents, including vandalism, threats and at least one physical attack. There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes.
In Snellville, Ga., Denene Millner said that a day after the election, a boy on a school bus told her 9-year-old daughter that he hoped "Obama gets assassinated." That night, Millner said, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door.
"It definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with," said Millner, who is black. "And makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking."
Potok, who is white, said he thinks there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them."
Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old Georgia native who is white, expressed similar sentiments. "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades, and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change," Griffin said.
A black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries."
The day after Obama's victory, high school student Barbara Tyler, who is black, of Marietta, Ga., said that she heard hateful comments about him from white students. Tyler spoke at a news conference by the Georgia chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People during which the group called for a town hall meeting to address complaints about hostility and resentment.
Other incidents include:
• Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free expression.
• In Standish, Maine, a sign in the Oak Hill General Store said, "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said.
• Elementary students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted, "Assassinate Obama," a district official said.
• University of Alabama professor Marsha Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur, she said.
• Alie Kamara, a black teen in New York, said that on election night he was attacked with a bat by four white men who shouted, "Obama." Police said Saturday that two 18-year-old white men were arrested Friday. Ralph Nicoletti and Bryan Garaventa face charges of hate-crime assault and criminal possession of a weapon, police said.
Emotions are often raw after political campaigns, and for some of those on the losing side, black people are an easy target for their anger, an expert said.
"The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist. "If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race.
"We saw the same thing happen after the 9/11 attacks as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country."
Additional material from The New York Times.
Find this article at:
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/11/16/1116obamaracial.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/11/16/1116obamaracial.html)
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Nice.
But hey, we've been feeling the left wing love for eight years.
Try some. You deserve it.
I knew you would approve. The major diff is that unlike you, we were smart enough to know we didnt want the Bushidiot assassinated becuase it would bring the real evil, Cheney, to power. Y'all hate-filled creep wannabee assassins dont give a shit what happens.
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>>Moreover, I would venture to guess that the majority of those who voted for McCain voted that way because of political issues - not skin color, and that those same Republicans *do* feel a sense of pride that an African-American has been elected president, even if they don't agree with anything else.<<
That's an interesting question. Do I feel a sense of pride because a Black person was elected president? Yes and no. For one, he's just another black from the liberal plantation. There's nothing different about him than say, Ted Kennedy. He goose steps right in line with the rest of them. If he were an independent Black man who wasn't beholden to the democrat machine I'd feel better about him. If he weren't associated with racist Blacks and terrorist White's I'd feel better too. But he is those things, which doesn't merit any pride. There are plenty of Black men and women I belief are better prepared and much more trustworthy than Barry that I'd love to vote for. Maybe some day. On the other hand I guess I take pride in America's voting for a Black person, but then those who voted for him didn't know anything about the man except that he was Black. Should we take pride in an uniformed electorate?
So yeah, we elected a half White, half Black radical socialist to the the presidency.
Whoopi.
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>>Y'all hate-filled creep wannabee assassins dont give a shit what happens.<<
That's right. we don't.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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>>Moreover, I would venture to guess that the majority of those who voted for McCain voted that way because of political issues - not skin color, and that those same Republicans *do* feel a sense of pride that an African-American has been elected president, even if they don't agree with anything else.<<
That's an interesting question. Do I feel a sense of pride because a Black person was elected president? Yes and no. For one, he's just another black from the liberal plantation. There's nothing different about him than say, Ted Kennedy. He goose steps right in line with the rest of them. If he were an independent Black man who wasn't beholden to the democrat machine I'd feel better about him. If he weren't associated with racist Blacks and terrorist White's I'd feel better too. But he is those things, which doesn't merit any pride. There are plenty of Black men and women I belief are better prepared and much more trustworthy than Barry that I'd love to vote for. Maybe some day. On the other hand I guess I take pride in America's voting for a Black person, but then those who voted for him didn't know anything about the man except that he was Black. Should we take pride in an uniformed electorate?
So yeah, we elected a half White, half Black radical socialist to the the presidency.
Whoopi.
Rich, I understand what you're saying, but still the obvious point is clear - you didn't vote for McCain because of the color of Obama's skin. I think that the race issue is limited to a minority.
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>>Rich, I understand what you're saying, but still the obvious point is clear - you didn't vote for McCain because of the color of Obama's skin. I think that the race issue is limited to a minority.<<
Of course. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. However, I would suggest that race is more of an issue for liberals than it is for Conservatives. Would you agree?
Hell, I was that close to voting for someone else anyway. I stood in the booth thinking, "You never liked McCain in the first place." There was a list of what, ten names?
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>>Rich, I understand what you're saying, but still the obvious point is clear - you didn't vote for McCain because of the color of Obama's skin. I think that the race issue is limited to a minority.<<
Of course. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. However, I would suggest that race is more of an issue for liberals than it is for Conservatives. Would you agree?
Hell, I was that close to voting for someone else anyway. I stood in the booth thinking, "You never liked McCain in the first place." There was a list of what, ten names?
No, you didn't imply otherwise.
I never thought about the issue of race being more important to liberals than conservatives, but I think that statistics and polling now show that race was more important to blacks than to whites. I read something about pre-election polls that showed clearly that black people never thought a black person would be elected, where white people were very optimistic that it *would* happen.
As for me, I sat with my absentee ballot on my desk for 3 weeks, pondering if I should vote for Ralph Nader or Paris Hilton. I think Paris had a better chance than Ralph, for the record.
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I looked at Bob Barr for a while.
Yes, I think it's safe to say that race is more important to Blacks than Whites. In most things if not all.
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Yes, I think it's safe to say that race is more important to Blacks than Whites. In most things if not all.
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I don't think you could possibly know this unless you had been both black and white.
Obama, who is Black and was raised by Whites, almost certainly understands both better than you ever will.
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>>Y'all hate-filled creep wannabee assassins dont give a shit what happens.<<
That's right. we don't.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Glad you admit it so readily , nutcase.
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I don't think you know anything about anything. So why should I care what you think?
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Are we seriously discussing the threat posed by nine year olds?
If this is not overblown what is?
The wave of anti Muslim violence that swept the nation in the months following 9-11 caused a single fatality , and the perpetrator of that foolish evil was easily caught , no conspiracy to commit violence was found plotting to make Mayhem against American Muslims .
If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?
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>>If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?<<
Hey, Saddam Hussein tossed children in jail. As did Mao. I doubt knutty would have any compunctions against it. Who knows, Barry might not either.
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I don't think you know anything about anything. So why should I care what you think?
You sure do respond a lot for a guy that doesnt care, phoney phuck.
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>>If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?<<
Hey, Saddam Hussein tossed children in jail. As did Mao. I doubt knutty would have any compunctions against it. Who knows, Barry might not either.
I do think we should carefully monitor overgrown juvenile delinquents with unresolved hate issues like you against their betters.
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>>I do think we should carefully overgrown juvenile delinquents with unresolved hate issues against their betters.<<
You think we should carefully? Carefully what? Carefully overgrown?
Anybody? ???
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Are we seriously discussing the threat posed by nine year olds?
If this is not overblown what is?
If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?
I am actually more worried about their parents and the hate they are obviously teaching their children. In 5 or 8 years when they can act on this hate, I hope their parents are incarcerated for it.
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There you go, lock people up because they hate.
Knutty goes first.
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Are we seriously discussing the threat posed by nine year olds?
If this is not overblown what is?
If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?
I am actually more worried about their parents and the hate they are obviously teaching their children. In 5 or 8 years when they can act on this hate, I hope their parents are incarcerated for it.
Even if each of these incidents is not exaggerated at all we are still talking about a few hundred persons in a nation of a few hundred million persons , when the waves lap barely over my toes I don't describe the rageing surf.
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Are we seriously discussing the threat posed by nine year olds?
If this is not overblown what is?
If this is not just an illusion why are we discussing the words of children on school busses?
I am actually more worried about their parents and the hate they are obviously teaching their children. In 5 or 8 years when they can act on this hate, I hope their parents are incarcerated for it.
Even if each of these incidents is not exaggerated at all we are still talking about a few hundred persons in a nation of a few hundred million persons , when the waves lap barely over my toes I don't describe the rageing surf.
Ever heard of the quiet before the storm?
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Wow ... that's deep. the quit before the storm ... ominous.
:D
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Wow ... that's deep. the quit before the storm ... ominous.
:D
I got a million of them for example Gnarl's Barkey saying " It is deep that you can be so shallow.
Its deep how you can be so shallow
And Im afraid cause I have no fear
And I didnt believe in magic until
Until I watched you disappear
I wish you where here
And I can go on and on and on
But who cares?
http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858592514/ (http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858592514/)