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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on September 04, 2008, 07:37:59 PM
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)
that one went right over my head.
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Of course it did.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)
that one went right over my head.
Talk about embarrassing oneself. What a hoot you are numbnuts!
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Of course it did.
I meant to say under my head not over my head but unfortunately once you press post it's a done deal and you can't take it back.
But I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Here is a joke that I think you might appreciate:
Why did the chicken cross the playground ?
To get to the other slide
That one is on par with XO's childish joke.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)
LOL> I have to admit this is very funny, XO. He's brilliant.
I go back to my "new rule" design on a dime idea ----I think we are 'playing' games in politics in this country. Comedy has become part of the race. Americans certainly aren't laughing
in the classroom
on the battle field
sick in bed without health insurance
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Join forces, I say. Bring all good ideas to the table- from both camps. . .do away with the two party system.
Work it. Make it work. Stop the stupid gender bashing, the mud slinging, the cement crushing blows that only get in the way of what is important---critical issues.
I realize that there will be no way that such an idea could materialize, but something has to give. Someday Americans are going to get sick and tired of the immaturity we witness during a political race.
Intelligence is lost when the nation ends up digging in heels based on pride.
So if bicker and flame are running for office?
I vote for the "Flicker" ....the flicker of a new light, instead.
8)
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Of course it did.
I meant to say under my head not over my head but unfortunately once you press post it's a done deal and you can't take it back.
But I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Here is a joke that I think you might appreciate:
Why did the chicken cross the playground ?
To get to the other slide
That one is on par with XO's childish joke.
I always appreciate a good chicken joke...that one was cute, thanks.
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Join forces, I say. Bring all good ideas to the table- from both camps. . .do away with the two party system.
Work it. Make it work. Stop the stupid gender bashing, the mud slinging, the cement crushing blows that only get in the way of what is important---critical issues.
I very strongly disagree.
The USA has had a few decades of single party strength , the "era of good feelings" It ended with the Bucanon Presidency and the Era ofd Civil War.
We are going to have problems , we need people who benefit from hashing them out and solving them. Adversarys do this .
A single party is responsible for all of the problems at once , so it is prone to sweep them under the rug where no one has any intrest in cleaning them out.
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Join forces, I say. Bring all good ideas to the table- from both camps. . .do away with the two party system.
Work it. Make it work. Stop the stupid gender bashing, the mud slinging, the cement crushing blows that only get in the way of what is important---critical issues.
I very strongly disagree.
The USA has had a few decades of single party strength , the "era of good feelings" It ended with the Bucanon Presidency and the Era ofd Civil War.
We are going to have problems , we need people who benefit from hashing them out and solving them. Adversarys do this .
A single party is responsible for all of the problems at once , so it is prone to sweep them under the rug where no one has any intrest in cleaning them out.
You're right. I must admit I was dreaming of a land of socialist fairies dancing with sugar plum hard to the core drones.
Ok ok...so, here is the real deal.
I want to know who the hell this Obama is. I want to know who the hell this McCain really is...and I want to find out the long story...not the short.
If we are headed into a marxist communist state because Americans are too quick to dream for a day when we can all get along and swim in the fine ocean water in peace, and yet we are only a frog in slow boiling water zapped in about 50years instead.....by damn I want to know NOW. Is Obama a socialist? If so, how, and why?
Is McCain a confused conservative who wants everyone to get along and in the process negoitates with the democrates only to find out that he has been screwed?
Are we headed into hell or hell's sister?
Bush was an idiot when it comes to the war. BUT, BY DAMN Clinton was the one who ripped the military from under the American soil to begin with. NO wonder we weren't planned to head into this war. I understand that now. I have been doing a bit of homework on this lately.
I wonder if we should have jumped into IRaq knowing we had to rely on the National Guard troops to sorta kinda come to the rescue! I still wonder if Bush knew what he was doing there. Hmmmm, no. sorry, but he wasn't thinking, imo. BUT i certainly blame Clinton for the cuts in the military during the 8 years he was sitting at his desk.
Bush had to go to war somewhere...this is true. So, that's a given.
the NCLB act is minor compared to other issues in this nation. Even the abortion issue is a weak one unless you are willing to say no way.....even in a situation of rape. But in a situation of incest, or 13 year old girl....God, that's a hard call.
But, the bigger issue is the economy and the waste. I want answers.
I will continue to find answers, but I have a couple of months to do so.
In the meantime, I reflect and ponder.....open book, Cindy on this board. This has become a sort of journaling center for me. ha.
So I appreciate you all. I do.
I will continue to learn and grow, but I am not going to stop at a commercial where the ad only makes me giggle and cringe. I think there are some serious issues here. Hidden agendas, and blame to go around for all.
Time to put the cards on the table, in all seriousness.
No more pipe dreams....no more crystalized jewel bending sparks from me. I want to know the truth...
I CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH. Yes, I can.
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...but unfortunately once you press post it's a done deal and you can't take it back.
I know you know better than that. I notice quite a few of your posts went missing lately.
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I have been reading the McCain book "Faith of My Fathers" , If I also read one of BHO's books I will feel as if I have been fair to both of them , that being beside my point.
I agree with you it is worth due dilligence , even if certainty is impossible.
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...but unfortunately once you press post it's a done deal and you can't take it back.
I know you know better than that. I notice quite a few of your posts went missing lately.
Well I think I know better than you. If you don't believe me then check with the people that run this place. I'm sure they will confirm my story. It's a funny thing but there are a lot of people that post here that think they know stuff that they just don't know.
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Well I think I know better than you. If you don't believe me then check with the people that run this place. I'm sure they will confirm my story.
Actually, you are free to edit your own posts, even long after you made them. Watch the forums for a while, you'll see some posts with an "Last Edit" note at the bottom. Matter of fact, I'll make a minor change to this post after a while to demonstrate.
Hence the practice on forums of QFT ("Quoted for Truthiness") - you can edit YOUR posts, but not the sections of posts quoted in other people's posts.
OK, I've modified my post, you should now see a note at the bottom indicating so...
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Well I think I know better than you. If you don't believe me then check with the people that run this place. I'm sure they will confirm my story.
Actually, you are free to edit your own posts, even long after you made them. Watch the forums for a while, you'll see some posts with an "Last Edit" note at the bottom. Matter of fact, I'll make a minor change to this post after a while to demonstrate.
Hence the practice on forums of QFT ("Quoted for Truthiness") - you can edit YOUR posts, but not the sections of posts quoted in other people's posts.
Trust me that feature does not apply to me. If you don't believe me then check with the person or people that run this forum and ask them why.
OK, I've modified my post, you should now see a note at the bottom indicating so...
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Kramer doesn't have that privilege anymore.
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Kramer doesn't have that privilege anymore.
Ooooookay.
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I have to say that I'm pretty much in agreement with the clip. The hypocrisy on both sides revolving around the gender issue is staggering. As Stewart said, levying criticism is not sexism (or racism) whether it's toward Palin or Clinton or Obama. As much as I would like to take a slap at social conservatism with the "bad parenting issue", I restrain myself because really, the kids should be off limits. They aren't running for office and the press has no business digging dirt up on them. And that's the same whether it's Palin's kids or Gore's kids or Clinton's kid. It appears that this is race is quickly moving away from candidates and issues and into who is the biggest hypocrite.
How soon before we can go back to the issues?
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How soon before we can go back to the issues?
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Neither side wants to discuss the issues, because the issues require an informed electorate capable of understanding them and even an ability and a desire to read. Hypocrisy and inconsistency are a lot easier to demonstrate, and that is what we tend to end up with.
The Olebush campaign was about releasing convicts who returned to kill again and membership in the the ACLU: neither of these was important even a day after the election.
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The Olebush campaign was about releasing convicts who returned to kill again
You mean Willie Horton? The guy that Al Gore brought into the campaign?
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Olebush ran a Willie Horton ad more than anyone else.
The point is that the campaign was about unimportant bullshit issues rather than anything that actually mattered to anyone.
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I have to say that I'm pretty much in agreement with the clip. The hypocrisy on both sides revolving around the gender issue is staggering. As Stewart said, levying criticism is not sexism (or racism) whether it's toward Palin or Clinton or Obama. As much as I would like to take a slap at social conservatism with the "bad parenting issue", I restrain myself because really, the kids should be off limits. They aren't running for office and the press has no business digging dirt up on them. And that's the same whether it's Palin's kids or Gore's kids or Clinton's kid. It appears that this is race is quickly moving away from candidates and issues and into who is the biggest hypocrite.
How soon before we can go back to the issues?
I know a poor guy named John that changed sex to Jen. She/he doesn't know how to be a women. Women I know that have spent time with Jen says she is clueless on dressing, sitting, walking and relating to what a real women feels and is. Poor Jen now bleeds all the time. When Jen was John he was in construction and now people want nothing to do with her, so she sit's in her mothers basement tending to her fish friends. I think it's sad and very likely this poor confused person will eventually kill herself. She lives in the great liberal state of Mass and I'm sure she was brainwashed in her early years in public school.
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That relates to absolutely nothing. If people want nothing to do with her, she should find better friends. Even registered sex offenders have friends. I don't see you posting any evidence that she plans to kill herself, if she does then I hope that you have alerted the proper authorities to this. I don't see what her being from Massachusetts has to do with anything, I know plenty of Boston Irish that are pretty conservative. Nor do I see what the public school system has to do with it.
Basically a bunch of mularkey, if it's even true.
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That relates to absolutely nothing. If people want nothing to do with her, she should find better friends. Even registered sex offenders have friends. I don't see you posting any evidence that she plans to kill herself, if she does then I hope that you have alerted the proper authorities to this. I don't see what her being from Massachusetts has to do with anything, I know plenty of Boston Irish that are pretty conservative. Nor do I see what the public school system has to do with it.
Basically a bunch of mularkey, if it's even true.
Well it's all true and if you think it's mularkey then I guess you know less about the subject than I figured. I think John should have stayed John and just went gay and kept his unit intact. He wasn't a bad looking guy but he's just about the ugliest women I have ever laid eyes on.
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Evidently you don't know gay from transgendered. Evidently you are unaware of the hours of counseling and the psychological workup that precedes a sex change. But I'm not surprised that someone like you is unable to differentiate between a transgendered person and a homosexual person. You understand nuance like a badger understands electromagnetics.
You still haven't shared with us why this article is relevant to anything that was posted in this thread, particularly the post that I wrote that you quoted.
Perhaps you're just trying to piss people off with your ignorance?
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Evidently you don't know gay from transgendered. Evidently you are unaware of the hours of counseling and the psychological workup that precedes a sex change. But I'm not surprised that someone like you is unable to differentiate between a transgendered person and a homosexual person. You understand nuance like a badger understands electromagnetics.
You still haven't shared with us why this article is relevant to anything that was posted in this thread, particularly the post that I wrote that you quoted.
Perhaps you're just trying to piss people off with your ignorance?
well you said you weren't going to respond to my posts so I figured I'd test you out to see if you would be true to your word. Oh well.
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You're that lonely huh?
Sometimes I just find myself unable to let the titanic stupidity that you post go unchallenged. Sorry 'bout that.
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You're that lonely huh?
Sometimes I just find myself unable to let the titanic stupidity that you post go unchallenged. Sorry 'bout that.
You do seem to be setting his agenda.
What would you teach him , or me , given the chance?
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What would you teach him , or me , given the chance?
No offense Plane, but in order for me to teach either Kramer or yourself anything, you'd have to be willing to learn and to open your mind to a different opinion. I no longer debate the gay marriage/civil union issue in here because it's become clear to myself that both my position and the positions of my opposition are entrenched, and further debate on the matter is pointless and only stirs up emotion best left out of this forum.
And yes, I mean to keep my word by not responding to Kramer's posts. If I were a conservative, I'd cringe every time he hops on the keyboard, but since I'm not a conservative it's not my worry. I have noticed though, that people like Kramer and his predecessor tend to push people like me away, towards the left. They may be great for attracting and solidifying the base, but I don't think that the base is enough to win.
Lastly, I've noticed that this forum is like playing wack-a-mole with assholes. As soon as one is gone another pops up. It's losing its charm.
Anyone seen Prince around? I do wish Pooch would post more often.
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What would you teach him , or me , given the chance?
No offense Plane, but in order for me to teach either Kramer or yourself anything, you'd have to be willing to learn and to open your mind to a different opinion. I no longer debate the gay marriage/civil union issue in here because it's become clear to myself that both my position and the positions of my opposition are entrenched, and further debate on the matter is pointless and only stirs up emotion best left out of this forum.
And yes, I mean to keep my word by not responding to Kramer's posts. If I were a conservative, I'd cringe every time he hops on the keyboard, but since I'm not a conservative it's not my worry. I have noticed though, that people like Kramer and his predecessor tend to push people like me away, towards the left. They may be great for attracting and solidifying the base, but I don't think that the base is enough to win.
Lastly, I've noticed that this forum is like playing wack-a-mole with assholes. As soon as one is gone another pops up. It's losing its charm.
Anyone seen Prince around? I do wish Pooch would post more often.
You are right , the entrenched are seldom seen to change , here or anywherre I know about.
That doesn't make the discussion unimportant , there is a lot of value in whetting the wit on another wit whether equal or not.
There are a lot of misconceptions to loose , they get lost in the bright light that people seldom shine on themselves.
There is a little value in the audience of the unpersueded , which sometimes reads inspireation in well crafted argument and becomes persueded.
You are a good essayist , but you can't be compelled to argue .
Just when you do feel like it , I hope I am availible for it .
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You have several good points Plane, though you give me far too much credit. I haven't been posting a lot lately, just lurking and forming an opinion for my vote. It could be the 5 12's and 1 10 that I'm putting in at work lately, it could be I just need a break from the hyperbole.
But thank you for the kind words and good insight, I'll bear it in mind.
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What would you teach him , or me , given the chance?
No offense Plane, but in order for me to teach either Kramer or yourself anything, you'd have to be willing to learn and to open your mind to a different opinion. I no longer debate the gay marriage/civil union issue in here because it's become clear to myself that both my position and the positions of my opposition are entrenched, and further debate on the matter is pointless and only stirs up emotion best left out of this forum.
And yes, I mean to keep my word by not responding to Kramer's posts. If I were a conservative, I'd cringe every time he hops on the keyboard, but since I'm not a conservative it's not my worry. I have noticed though, that people like Kramer and his predecessor tend to push people like me away, towards the left. They may be great for attracting and solidifying the base, but I don't think that the base is enough to win.
Lastly, I've noticed that this forum is like playing wack-a-mole with assholes. As soon as one is gone another pops up. It's losing its charm.
Anyone seen Prince around? I do wish Pooch would post more often.
You are right , the entrenched are seldom seen to change , here or anywherre I know about.
That doesn't make the discussion unimportant , there is a lot of value in whetting the wit on another wit whether equal or not.
There are a lot of misconceptions to loose , they get lost in the bright light that people seldom shine on themselves.
There is a little value in the audience of the unpersueded , which sometimes reads inspireation in well crafted argument and becomes persueded.
You are a good essayist , but you can't be compelled to argue .
Just when you do feel like it , I hope I am availible for it .
Plane,
Who would be my predecessor? I wonder if he is better or worse than me. I like Bush have found that the far-left loones aren't people you want to be friends with.